fl-2087 shortage situation

[The Chairman]

on a recent gt500? the filter does not crush? or deformation?

I have 2020 GT500 that is used only for track use at COTA (an F-1 track). Change the oil after every event, and now have over 4,000 miles on the car without issues.
There are only rumors of collapsed filters. When pictures are provided, those filters were improperly installed and crushed when twisted on.

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[Stang 19]

Personally, and while the car is still under warranty with no modifications I will use only Ford parts so there won’t be any warrantee denials. We all do what we are comfortable doing.

 

[Tomster]

Why chance it now that OEM filters are available. If you choose to use aftermarket, that's OK as long as you understand potential consequences.

 

[The Chairman]

Why chance it now that OEM filters are available. If you choose to use aftermarket, that's OK as long as you understand potential consequences.

I never use OEM filters or oil when there are better alternatives available.
I have FL-2087’s on the shelf that came with my spare canisters. Have no plans to use them as long as K&N makes a better filter.
Not to turn this into an oil thread, but I only use Castrol in all my vehicles.
I’m an older dude and have never had a warranty declined for anything. You have to do something way off base (read “tune”) to lose that battle.

 

[Tomster]

I never use OEM filters or oil when there are better alternatives available.
I have FL-2087’s on the shelf that came with my spare canisters. Have no plans to use them as long as K&N makes a better filter.
Not to turn this into an oil thread, but I only use Castrol in all my vehicles.
I’m an older dude and have never had a warranty declined for anything. You have to do something way off base (read “tune”) to lose that battle.

Its ok. What i said is its each person's choice. Simply research the "what ifs" when making their decision.

You understand the risks, and you are happy with your choice.

 

[clg82]

I believe the real question we all need to ask is why would ford introduce such a shit design into our cars? I have run both, K&N and stock, like the chairman said, as long as it's installed properly it should be fine. Does anyone have any ACTUAL data (aside from Tomsters nonsense spouting) in reference to ford denying warranty work because of an aftermarket oil filter? Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen too me.

 

[fishpick]

This is so silly - I just use a somewhat clean sock and a brillo pad in the canister - works fine - doesn't collapse. What's all the hubbub about...

 

[JeremyPro5.0]

I believe the real question we all need to ask is why would ford introduce such a shit design into our cars? I have run both, K&N and stock, like the chairman said, as long as it's installed properly it should be fine. Does anyone have any ACTUAL data (aside from Tomsters nonsense spouting) in reference to ford denying warranty work because of an aftermarket oil filter? Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen too me.

That’s nice.
Maybe some of us like nonsense sputtering.
And maybe others think you may be the one doing it.

His comments are pretty clear that per Ford, you MUST use the prescribed filter the FL2087. Failure to do so is grounds for a denied warranty claim.
Maybe Ford knows the filter can be installed incorrectly and crushed, maybe that is what mandated their requirement to use one with a metal inner cage to ensure you couldn’t make that mistake. It’s a term referred to as idiot proofing or mistake proofing.
That is not to say you or anyone else could possible fall into the bucket of one who makes mistakes or heaven forbid, is an idiot. It is just the term coined to what that filter may be doing.

Bad mouthing another for doing nothing but pointing out a concern or risk you are taking by not using a required part, just ain’t .

 

[The Chairman]

That’s nice.
Maybe some of us like nonsense sputtering.
And maybe others think you may be the one doing it.

His comments are pretty clear that per Ford, you MUST use the prescribed filter the FL2087. Failure to do so is grounds for a denied warranty claim.
Maybe Ford knows the filter can be installed incorrectly and crushed, maybe that is what mandated their requirement to use one with a metal inner cage to ensure you couldn’t make that mistake. It’s a term referred to as idiot proofing or mistake proofing.
That is not to say you or anyone else could possible fall into the bucket of one who makes mistakes or heaven forbid, is an idiot. It is just the term coined to what that filter may be doing.

Bad mouthing another for doing nothing but pointing out a concern or risk you are taking by not using a required part, just ain’t .

I would guess that over 90% of all oil changes out there do not use OEM “required” filters or oil. And I’ve never heard of one warranty denial because of that. All denials I have seen were caused by a tune, or “racing”. Hence my concern for not using OEM stuff is near zero.

I actually have a theory regarding the design change to the FL-2087: Ford added the metal sleeve to help prevent crushing by improper install. If the filter is improperly aligned, you would likely break the plastic housing trying to crank it on.

 

[rp930]

I believe the real question we all need to ask is why would ford introduce such a shit design into our cars? I have run both, K&N and stock, like the chairman said, as long as it's installed properly it should be fine. Does anyone have any ACTUAL data (aside from Tomsters nonsense spouting) in reference to ford denying warranty work because of an aftermarket oil filter? Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen too me.

IF Ford found the filter to be the cause, they would decline the repair. And remember they have a lot more attorneys than you do. Costs them virtually nothing to defend their position.

 

[clg82]

I would guess that over 90% of all oil changes out there do not use OEM “required” filters or oil. And I’ve never heard of one warranty denial because of that. All denials I have seen were caused by a tune, or “racing”. Hence my concern for not using OEM stuff is near zero.

I actually have a theory regarding the design change to the FL-2087: Ford added the metal sleeve to help prevent crushing by improper install. If the filter is improperly aligned, you would likely break the plastic housing trying to crank it on.

Please please please there is no room on this board for common sense.....

 

[Tomster]

aside from Tomsters nonsense spouting

If I was making it up, then yes, it is possible it could be nonsense. However, it actually goes beyond any kind of sense or nonsense for that matter. Ford takes away any and all ambiguity as stated in the manual. It's there in black and white. You are free to deviate from what is mandated, but as I have said in the past, do so at your own risk. People have called Ford and have discovered that the FL2087 must be used.

There should not be any issue anymore. Because of me, anyone who wants a filter can now have one. I think by now everyone who wanted one has obtained one. If you'd like the link, let me know.

Do not confuse my reiteration of the black and white words as stated in the owner's manual with one who is spouting nonsense. If Ford didn't think it was a big deal, they certainly wouldn't have included that kind of verbiage in the manual with very stern warnings that failure to use the FL2087 could cause engine damage.

Now, please, go on and enlighten all of us as to why your viewpoint is correct and mine is wrong. It has always been my assertion that you are free to use whatever filter you want, but there may be consequences for doing so.

Now, imagine you have your GT500 towed to the dealership for warranty repair on your engine. They go over it and discover an aftermarket filter in there. Whether it caused the problem or not, I have been told by my dealership that the warranty would be voided. You can argue all you want, but now this disagreement will enter the legal phase where you will have to hire an attorney and fight an uphill battle against a company with an army of lawyers and engineers because you didn't want to follow the guidance of the owners manual.

Again, have at it. Its your car, do what you want with it. When you do, you own the problem.

P.S. Im married to a lawyer. No way in hell would I want to take on the Ford Motor Company because I was so set on how nobody was going to tell me which filter to use. There was a time where these filters were unavailable. Because of some work I did and people I contacted, they are now pervasive. Something tells me this is kind of like an Amsoil vs Motorcraft debate.

Now, please elaborate.

 

[dpAtlanta]

Tomster:
I believe your lawyer wife would agree that the text in the manual is not "Vague, ambiguous, and unduly burdensome." A common response to interrogatories during discovery.
I agree... Ford makes it kinda clear to use Ford filters to prevent potential engine damage:

 

[Tomster]

Tomster:
I believe your lawyer wife would agree that the text in the manual is not "Vague, ambiguous, and unduly burdensome." A common response to interrogatories during discovery.
I agree... Ford makes it kinda clear to use Ford filters to prevent potential engine damage:

I, nor anyone else, likes to be controlled by anyone. But when it is so clear cut and the cost of such a filter is so reasonable, why would anyone use anything else.

I know Don (the chairman) is a very intelligent person who knows exactly what he is doing. He has determined his filter choice is within his comfort level. And that is what this is about. Do what you want and if you deviate from the Ford recommendations, be prepared to own it.

 

[fishpick]

Not to be a jackwagon - but since this has turned into splitting filter fibers while exactly 14 angles dance on the head of a pin sort of thread...

Ford legally can't mandate a particular filter - at least in the US - the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act (MMWA) prevents that... period.

No matter what they print in their manual - they can not mandate that you do not use an alternative filter. And just about every car manual out there tells you to use an OEM filter... because - it's OEM - and they know it fits.

It is notable that for the GT500 - the filter recommendation in the manual does not ALSO include the typical text "[if the OEM filter]...is not available, use an oil filter that meets industry performance
specification... [some spec here]"...
This omission does lend a bit of weight to the argument that OEM is the only "right" filter for the GT500...
Almost all manuals also include some warning as well about the use of a non-OEM part could cause some sort of damage, issue, performance, whatever...

BUT... if you do choose to use a non-OEM part - AND there is a failure - AND it is determined through an investigation (that Ford does) that failure came for said non-OEM part... they can deny a claim. But the law is pretty specific here - it must be clearly traceable to the non-OEM part to deny a claim.

I'm making that point because sometimes the language used in posts suggest any claim about anything can be denied if you use a non-OEM part anywhere - and that is very much not true.

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