84mo/100,000 Mile CPO?!?!

[vVCOBRAVv]

Just picked up a new to me GT350 from a Ford dealer in Iowa, Im flying out to pick it up on Wednesday and driving it back to PA. I like to do this with my cars as you're able to get intimate with them real quick.

I got a great deal on the car, it has long tubes and a Corsa X-Pipe. I was able to have them write into the agreement of sale and have FoMoCo Corporate sign off on it that in its current form it would not void any warranty relating to engine damage.

Question to you guys: Have you ever seen an 7-year Powertrain for 100k miles? Is this indicative of a motor replacement? Honestly, I'd be thrilled if it were a K motor. Just wanted to poll to see if any of you had run across this before.

This is what is listed in Ford's Oasis system.

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[HEP#15]

I could be wrong but it looks like a Ford ESP for 7 years / 100K miles was purchased on the car. You can purchase them for a variety of # of Years / Miles and they are transferrable if you pay a fee depending on state.

 

[HEP#15]

Forgot to say that this can be independent of engine replacement OR can be negotiated as a result of engine replacement.

 

[key01]

I had a 84 mo Ford warranty on my 2017. 36K miles tho. I bought it when I purchased my car new. So you have a few years left if you can transfer it. Not sure if it expires once a dealer takes possession.

 

[Saxgod]

I think you have to have an ESP transferred to you for it to be valid. They’re is a small transfer fee that has to be paid. Perhaps the dealer had it transferred for you? I wouldn’t take any chances and make triple sure that it is valid for you. If not purchase a new ESP from one of the usual suspects.

 

[The Chairman]

Just picked up a new to me GT350 from a Ford dealer in Iowa, Im flying out to pick it up on Wednesday and driving it back to PA. I like to do this with my cars as you're able to get intimate with them real quick.

I got a great deal on the car, it has long tubes and a Corsa X-Pipe. I was able to have them write into the agreement of sale and have FoMoCo Corporate sign off on it that in its current form it would not void any warranty relating to engine damage.

Question to you guys: Have you ever seen an 8-year Powertrain for 100k miles? Is this indicative of a motor replacement? Honestly, I'd be thrilled if it were a K motor. Just wanted to poll to see if any of you had run across this before.

This is what is listed in Ford's Oasis system.

As others stated, this is the std 7yr/100K warranty anyone can buy. I bought the 7yr/36K extended on mine.
I presume your long tube headers have no cats? Either way, your engine warranty is likely gone. The dealer can say what they want about stuff like this at sale. But FoMoCo would never approve such an arrangement. Once you get back to PA, you are on your own with your local dealer.

 

[vVCOBRAVv]

As others stated, this is the std 7yr/100K warranty anyone can buy. I bought the 7yr/36K extended on mine.
I presume your long tube headers have no cats? Either way, your engine warranty is likely gone. The dealer can say what they want about stuff like this at sale. But FoMoCo would never approve such an arrangement. Once you get back to PA, you are on your own with your local dealer.

Before I bought the car I requested and now have a signed document from the office of Lisa Drake. It states that all parts installed by an approved Ford Performance Certified Dealer have been approved and abide by Iowa state DOT laws. All operations of the system remain within FoMoCo's emissions threshold and regulation systems. The installation of this equipment shall and will not be be void of any implied or approved CPO warranty with the exception of a Force Majeure event.

I work and negotiate contracts for a living, I wasn't going to drop 50k on a car and take a dealers word that a factory warranty was valid with modified emissions systems.

Either way, in the event a dealer sells you a vehicle with a factory warranty and states anywhere on the bill of sale that it is intact, and any factory dealership denies a warranty claim, even if you bought it from a used car dealer, that's called "Dealer Fraud" and to be honest, be thankful if you find yourself in that situation, because not only do you get the money for your repair, the dealership committing the "fraud" has to by law, refund you total cost of the vehicle, and you get to keep it. Happened to me once before on an STi when I was in my early 20's.

If anyone reading this has gone through something like this and didn't come out on the winning side, I can help you out. I've had guys with spun rod bearings in LS7's that have chevy performance cams, long tubes and tunes that were installed and approved by certified dealers, come out on top. Key words to dealer executives trigger events that circumvent standard process that the uninformed follow. Thats how dealers make money, services departments, not the sale of the car.

Bottom line: Dont be dumb, ask for everything in writing, if you're buying out of state, ask for a signed statement from FoMoCo corporate. I feel pretty comfortable with my local dealership calling Lisa Drakes office to confirm and validate.

 

[The Chairman]

Before I bought the car I requested and now have a signed document from the office of Lisa Drake. It states that all parts installed by an approved Ford Performance Certified Dealer have been approved and abide by Iowa state DOT laws. All operations of the system remain within FoMoCo's emissions threshold and regulation systems. The installation of this equipment shall and will not be be void of any implied or approved CPO warranty with the exception of a Force Majeure event.

Who is Lisa Drake and what authority does she have regarding Ford’s nation-wide vehicle warranty?
How does meeting emissions thresholds relate to engine warranty if you blow the engine?

 

[vVCOBRAVv]

Who is Lisa Drake and what authority does she have regarding Ford’s nation-wide vehicle warranty?
How does meeting emissions thresholds relate to engine warranty if you blow the engine?

She is the COO of FoMoCo... One of her EA's that has power of attorney approved it.

Emissions standards that remain within the factory threshold of standard equipment cannot void a warranty. Meaning, if the emissions systems responsible for AFR regulation remain within spec of the design of the original system, it cannot void. Similar case with BMW where a turbocharged X5M was denied warranty claim on the two turbos in the valley because the car was used in Maine on a night where it was -35F, it ran a trigger event on the ECU flagging it, essentially thinking it was for a Burger piggy back. Fact of the matter, manufacturers just want to settle, if you know how to get them there, you will win.

 

[Inthehighdesert]

Please post up the specific statute concerning your “Dealer fraud” reference.

Before I bought the car I requested and now have a signed document from the office of Lisa Drake. It states that all parts installed by an approved Ford Performance Certified Dealer have been approved and abide by Iowa state DOT laws. All operations of the system remain within FoMoCo's emissions threshold and regulation systems. The installation of this equipment shall and will not be be void of any implied or approved CPO warranty with the exception of a Force Majeure event.

I work and negotiate contracts for a living, I wasn't going to drop 50k on a car and take a dealers word that a factory warranty was valid with modified emissions systems.

Either way, in the event a dealer sells you a vehicle with a factory warranty and states anywhere on the bill of sale that it is intact, and any factory dealership denies a warranty claim, even if you bought it from a used car dealer, that's called "Dealer Fraud" and to be honest, be thankful if you find yourself in that situation, because not only do you get the money for your repair, the dealership committing the "fraud" has to by law, refund you total cost of the vehicle, and you get to keep it. Happened to me once before on an STi when I was in my early 20's.

If anyone reading this has gone through something like this and didn't come out on the winning side, I can help you out. I've had guys with spun rod bearings in LS7's that have chevy performance cams, long tubes and tunes that were installed and approved by certified dealers, come out on top. Key words to dealer executives trigger events that circumvent standard process that the uninformed follow. Thats how dealers make money, services departments, not the sale of the car.

Bottom line: Dont be dumb, ask for everything in writing, if you're buying out of state, ask for a signed statement from FoMoCo corporate. I feel pretty comfortable with my local dealership calling Lisa Drakes office to confirm and validate.

 

[vVCOBRAVv]

Please post up the specific statute concerning your “Dealer fraud” reference.

Any lemon law attorney will gladly accept the case, people think its hard to enact the MMA, but in reality it only takes about two to three months to settle.

You need to make sure that all modifications that are done to the car prior to the sale of the vehicle are documented. If the dealer says "Its still under factory warranty" in any shape or form, just get them to put it in writing, and if you ever have a claim denied related to the aftermarket parts, you're in the money...

"Magnuson Warranty Act

The federal Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act specifies that a dealer or manufacturer providing a written warranty on a vehicle cannot disclaim implied warranties for that vehicle. Even if the written warranty is limited to certain vehicle components, the federal statute prohibits disclaimers of any implied warranty."

 

[The Chairman]

She is the COO of FoMoCo... One of her EA's that has power of attorney approved it.

Emissions standards that remain within the factory threshold of standard equipment cannot void a warranty. Meaning, if the emissions systems responsible for AFR regulation remain within spec of the design of the original system, it cannot void. Similar case with BMW where a turbocharged X5M was denied warranty claim on the two turbos in the valley because the car was used in Maine on a night where it was -35F, it ran a trigger event on the ECU flagging it, essentially thinking it was for a Burger piggy back. Fact of the matter, manufacturers just want to settle, if you know how to get them there, you will win.

Thanks for info regarding Ms. Drake.
However, I fail to understand how emission warranty saves you if you blow the engine due to long tube headers?
There are several folks that claims they still pass emissions tests after removing cats or various other engine mods. But when the engine blows due to those mods….good luck with that.

 

[vVCOBRAVv]

Thanks for info regarding Ms. Drake.
However, I fail to understand how emission warranty saves you if you blow the engine due to long tube headers?
There are several folks that claims they still pass emissions tests after removing cats or various other engine mods. But when the engine blows due to those mods….good luck with that.

Long tube headers typically have no cats. Cats or not, the positions of the O2 sensors fall within the factory variance and threshold of accepted AFR, it does not change or create any fuel condition that would cause a failure up top. Dealers can state that it does, but they don't expect you to lawyer up and come back with facts, and engineering information about tolerances and thresholds.

Warranties are regulated by the bureau of automotive repair. Every new car warranty has to be approved by them before calling it an actual warranty, otherwise, it must be called a replacement plan. When they are approved, they are approved within thresholds of technical data for every part of that vehicle. Basically, if a warranty claim is denied due to long tube headers, and the factory O2 sensors are still in use, and they were relocated by an approved shop, the only thing they are admitting to is that their sensors failed and they had no failsafe to dump into limp mode.

There is no getting around modifying a stock ECU, if you even have one flash that wasn't approved. you're out of luck.

Words of wisdom, try to avoid all of this, keep a stock exhaust handy, buy a motec, pull your stock ECU and set it aside, cover your tracks. I learned all this stuff the hard way.

 

[Jeffwels]

Why go through all the effort you have gone through to have the COO's power of attorney sign some form stating your warranty is still a warranty even with your aftermarket parts, when you are saying you will need a lawyer anyway and can leverage the Magnuson act (which in no way states your aftermarket parts are warranted, or the addition of your aftermarket parts don't void portions of your warranty if deemed attributed to a failure)?

Even the factory bumper to bumper warranty is a "limited" warranty.

Genuinely trying to follow, as I too am a bit confused.

Is the bottom line you went through extraordinary measures to ensure that the selling dealer is liable if there is a mechanical failure that could be attributed to the aftermarket accessories that are installed on the car you purchased for the duration of the ESP warranty that you are not sure is even part of the deal?

I think you definitely should do as others mentioned and ensure the ESP transfer is a part of your deal, in addition to what you've already done.

 

[br_an]

Just picked up a new to me GT350 from a Ford dealer in Iowa, Im flying out to pick it up on Wednesday and driving it back to PA. I like to do this with my cars as you're able to get intimate with them real quick.

I got a great deal on the car, it has long tubes and a Corsa X-Pipe. I was able to have them write into the agreement of sale and have FoMoCo Corporate sign off on it that in its current form it would not void any warranty relating to engine damage.

Question to you guys: Have you ever seen an 8-year Powertrain for 100k miles? Is this indicative of a motor replacement? Honestly, I'd be thrilled if it were a K motor. Just wanted to poll to see if any of you had run across this before.

This is what is listed in Ford's Oasis system.

Congrats on the new car!

Yes I've seen those options when I was looking at Ford ESPs in June. I bought an 96mo/60k mile ESP for my GT350 - I knew I wouldn't drive mine beyond that before the clock runs out (in 2029). Looks like the first owner either decided to get one with 570ish miles on the car out of an abundance of caution, or it was given to them as a consolation prize for engine trouble, but pretty sure the latter would be disclosed on the OASIS report.

Either way I wouldn't worry about it too much if the OASIS report didn't show any issues, and you'll still get some coverage for another couple years. Enjoy that awesome ride!

These are transferable, but as others have noted be sure that transfers to your name.

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