Any of you with the taller front mounts running a Mishi Oil Cooler?

[smdandb2]

So I have a bunch of parts I am in the process of putting on and I figured I was going to run into this issue. I was hoping someone else has maybe run into this already and solved for it so I don't have to.

I pulled my COBB front mount and have installed the cp-e Race Core. It's a beast for sure.

I also have the Mishimoto Oil Cooler that I need to install. Obviously, it is not going to fit where they intended it to. So I am hoping someone else mounted it elsewhere.

Anyone? LOL

I also have a Snow Performance meth kit I am contemplating on installing. I really do NOT want to put any of it in the trunk, so I am trying to find a pump mounting location in the engine bay near the washer tank. I'm still not 100% sure I want to go meth, but I do have the kit already with the fancy controller.

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[Brian V]

Astleast you have a garage to let it collect dust in ..I did give getting 1 some thought but the temps around here never get that high and my commute is not that far . I also don't track so what would I need an oil cooler for ?

Why did you get 1 ?

 

[smdandb2]

Astleast you have a garage to let it collect dust in ..I did give getting 1 some thought but the temps around here never get that high and my commute is not that far . I also don't track so what would I need an oil cooler for ?

Why did you get 1 ?

I took it out on a road course exactly once, and the dummy oil temp gauge went about 2mm from the red zone. I know its calculated based on RPM and oil pressure... but the oil thinning out that much means it is certainly warm.

I would like to take it on the track again for fun, but not without making sure I have the cooling up to par. It gets hot in the Utah desert.

 

[Brian V]

You really do not want your oil boiling during your track days .

In that case by all means install it at your leasure . From what I have read there really is not an ideal location for the mishi oil cooler other than the 1 mishi has recomended and the cooler lines are a bear to thread from the oil filter to the front .. good luck with the install ..

 

[jrock]

I would like to see what you come up with. I have the cobb tuning FMIC and would like install a race intercooler and keep my current oil cooler installed.

The only idea I had was to switch to a cooler that had the connections on the side to help make some room.
https://www.mishimoto.com/dual-pass-oil-cooler-small.html

 

[SVO MkII]

I thought I'd tag onto this thread to show the installation of a Mishimoto oil cooler on a 2018 with an over-sized aftermarket intercooler. It seems like all of the installation videos for installing the Mishi oil cooler are for 15-17 cars. It appears the 18 and newer is slightly different. Example: My 18 had a cover over the latch mechanism. See first pic below. I didn't see this shown/mentioned for the 15-17. Not a big deal, but you have to notch it a bit if you want to put it back in place after the oil cooler install. With the over sized intercooler installed, there is not enough room underneath the cooler for the oil lines (last pic). To make it fit, I flipped the top mounting brackets out, added 1" spacers with longer bolts on top, angled the cooler forward, then bent the supplied bottom bracket so it could be attached to the left support tube, with a U bolt (I'm sure someone could be more clever, but this works). This is very sturdy and allows the oil lines to pass in front of the intercooler. Heading to Road America this weekend. We'll see how it works!

 

[SVO MkII]

A little follow up here after my first HPDE with the new Mishimoto oil cooler installed. Bottom line; better, but not great. I was hoping for a little more temperature control from this oil cooler. Ambient temps didn't climb much past 60 deg (Road America, WI), but the oil temp still climbed right up to the very top of the green range, literally hovering on the border with yellow (not sure what actual temp that equates too). Is that an improvement? Yes. The oil temp used to climb into the yellow, causing the ECU to start pulling power back. But I have a feeling if the ambient temp was 20 degrees higher, the temp would've moved into yellow. And it's worth noting that this is with a stock tune. I'm sure another 50-60 horsepower would make this cooler worthless, for HPDE. Oh well.

 

[TeeLew]

A little follow up here after my first HPDE with the new Mishimoto oil cooler installed....I'm sure another 50-60 horsepower would make this cooler worthless, for HPDE. Oh well.

I think it's time to put some real numbers on this. Is the 'yellow' part of the gauge 210 deg F or 260? I understand it's pulling power, but a 'real' number would help.

 

[TeeLew]

Depending on your water cooling capacity, this (or something similar) might be an option. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/fld-db-30502

 

[SVO MkII]

I think it's time to put some real numbers on this. Is the 'yellow' part of the gauge 210 deg F or 260? I understand it's pulling power, but a 'real' number would help.

No idea what the scale is associated with the green, yellow, red. However, I have learned that this oil temp is not a real temp reading for the oil temp, but an "inferred" oil temp, calculated from several other parameters. Therefore, installing an oil cooler may have little or no impact on the inferred temp shown on this display, i.e., the calculation is fixed. I will be installing a separate oil temp gauge. I believe the ECU pulls power when the inferred oil temp goes yellow, but I'd love to hear from someone who can confirm this. If so, it won't matter how cool you actually keep the oil, the ECU would still pull power. That would suck.

 

[TeeLew]

No idea what the scale is associated with the green, yellow, red. However, I have learned that this oil temp is not a real temp reading for the oil temp, but an "inferred" oil temp, calculated from several other parameters. Therefore, installing an oil cooler may have little or no impact on the inferred temp shown on this display, i.e., the calculation is fixed. I will be installing a separate oil temp gauge. I believe the ECU pulls power when the inferred oil temp goes yellow, but I'd love to hear from someone who can confirm this. If so, it won't matter how cool you actually keep the oil, the ECU would still pull power. That would suck.

If that's the case, then running a thicker oil on track might be worthwhile? Just spit-balling, but if you make the engine see what it wants to see, my guess is the ECU wouldn't start trimming power?

I know most modern cars require light weight oil for mileage and cold start conditions, but if you're on track, those are less of an issue and a little extra oil thickness *could* (although, maybe not) help both in terms of bearing protection and this inferred oil temp? Seeing the actual numbers would be a good start, and you've got that covered.

 

[SVO MkII]

If that's the case, then running a thicker oil on track might be worthwhile? Just spit-balling, but if you make the engine see what it wants to see, my guess is the ECU wouldn't start trimming power?

I know most modern cars require light weight oil for mileage and cold start conditions, but if you're on track, those are less of an issue and a little extra oil thickness *could* (although, maybe not) help both in terms of bearing protection and this inferred oil temp? Seeing the actual numbers would be a good start, and you've got that covered.

Yes, I run 5w-50 on track, per the owners manual.

 

[TeeLew]

Yes, I run 5w-50 on track, per the owners manual.

Have you seen the other oil temp thread here where the guy has gone through the same thing? He was reading inferred temps of 270 vs. the actual of 218 while on the track. That seems like a pretty serious calculation error.

 

[TeeLew]

Ya, I see now you have.

 

[TeeLew]

No idea what the scale is associated with the green, yellow, red. However, I have learned that this oil temp is not a real temp reading for the oil temp, but an "inferred" oil temp, calculated from several other parameters. Therefore, installing an oil cooler may have little or no impact on the inferred temp shown on this display, i.e., the calculation is fixed. I will be installing a separate oil temp gauge. I believe the ECU pulls power when the inferred oil temp goes yellow, but I'd love to hear from someone who can confirm this. If so, it won't matter how cool you actually keep the oil, the ECU would still pull power. That would suck.

If that's the case, then running a thicker oil on track might be worthwhile? Just spit-balling, but if you make the engine see what it wants to see, my guess is the ECU wouldn't start trimming power.

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