Question on faster shifting with the a10

[GreenS550]

In my '15 auto GT I had an aftermarket tune and it would shift very, very fast manually. The A10 is fantastic but manually shifts a bit slower. Any recommendations to get quicker shifting when going manual? In auto or sport it's great and no complaints as it's lightning fast when left to the car to do it.

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[13razorbackfan]

I don't use the paddles at all. Drive it in sport plus mode and the car shifts a lot better than I ever could. It knows the perfect rpm to shift to make the most power when in sport plus or drag/track mode. Sure it's fun every now and then to use the paddles but when going for performance i just let the computer do the work

 

[GreenS550]

I don't use the paddles at all. Drive it in sport plus mode and the car shifts a lot better than I ever could. It knows the perfect rpm to shift to make the most power when in sport plus or drag/track mode. Sure it's fun every now and then to use the paddles but when going for performance i just let the computer do the work

Thanks. Looks exactly like the 2018 I recently bought. Same wheels. Looks real nice. I like to shift manually sometimes and just would like quicker manual shifting.

 

[13razorbackfan]

Thanks. Looks exactly like the 2018 I recently bought. Same wheels. Looks real nice. I like to shift manually sometimes and just would like quicker manual shifting.

Thanks! I hear ya it is slow meaning the difference in time it takes between the upshift with the paddle vs when it actually shifts. Saw a video a few days ago with the new 7 speed auto in the GT500 and the paddle upshifts were instantaneous whereas on the GT there is noticeable lag. I'd recommend if racing the car on a strip or stop light to stoplight, I generally don't condone such things, then you'd want to put it in drag mode and let the computer make all the shifts for you. If you're just goofing off then paddles are fine just a little slow. I haven't heard of any software upgrades that could be made to make it quicker would assume it would need a faster processor and tranny tune to make it instantaneous

 

[Echo4papa]

Thanks! I hear ya it is slow meaning the difference in time it takes between the upshift with the paddle vs when it actually shifts. Saw a video a few days ago with the new 7 speed auto in the GT500 and the paddle upshifts were instantaneous whereas on the GT there is noticeable lag. I'd recommend if racing the car on a strip or stop light to stoplight, I generally don't condone such things, then you'd want to put it in drag mode and let the computer make all the shifts for you. If you're just goofing off then paddles are fine just a little slow. I haven't heard of any software upgrades that could be made to make it quicker would assume it would need a faster processor and tranny tune to make it instantaneous

The transmission in the GT 500 is a dual clutch transmission, it's going to be lightning fast by design, you can't compare that to the A10 in terms of shift speed.

For what it's worth though, once the transmission warms up, I think it shifts faster (using the paddles warm vs cold). Also, it seems to shift faster the more gas I'm giving it. Though from 1st to 2nd it always seems to take way too long from the time I click the paddle to the time it actually shifts.

 

[13razorbackfan]

True...I meant the delay between the shifting when using the paddles on the GT vs the GT500. The GT shifts super quick when left alone but when you hit the upshift paddle there is a slight delay whereas the GT500 upshift paddle is instant. Maybe the processor is quicker in the 500 vs the the processor the A10 uses when using the paddles? When I run WOT without using the paddles the shifts are instant with no lag but when up shifting using the paddles it takes a split second longer to shift so I just assumed that was the difference. You think the tranny the GT500 with its DC is the reason why when using the paddles it is an instant shift vs the A10?

The transmission in the GT 500 is a dual clutch transmission, it's going to be lightning fast by design, you can't compare that to the A10 in terms of shift speed.

For what it's worth though, once the transmission warms up, I think it shifts faster (using the paddles warm vs cold). Also, it seems to shift faster the more gas I'm giving it. Though from 1st to 2nd it always seems to take way too long from the time I click the paddle to the time it actually shifts.

 

[Echo4papa]

True...I meant the delay between the shifting when using the paddles on the GT vs the GT500. The GT shifts super quick when left alone but when you hit the upshift paddle there is a slight delay whereas the GT500 upshift paddle is instant. Maybe the processor is quicker in the 500 vs the the processor the A10 uses when using the paddles? When I run WOT without using the paddles the shifts are instant with no lag but when up shifting using the paddles it takes a split second longer to shift so I just assumed that was the difference. You think the tranny the GT500 with its DC is the reason why when using the paddles it is an instant shift vs the A10?

So, there's probably a few things going on here.

First, in comparison to the GT500, I would absolutely expect the GT to feel like it shits slower in comparison to the dual clutch transmission on the GT500, which would probably feel like, or add to the feeling of a delay or lag.

Second, in comparison to letting the A10 shift itself at WOT, lag doesn't exist because there is no paddle shift, so there's nothing to compare against if that makes sense. You have a feeling of lag because you take an action and are waiting for the reaction when you click the paddle, but in letting the transmission shift on it's own, you take the action away so there can be no lag. When in comparison to itself, that is, manually shifting the A10 via paddles, remember that the computer has been programmed specifically for the car. If it wants to shift at 7,000 rpms, it's going to do so. If YOU want to shift at 7,000 rpms, you think "I'll click the paddle at 7k and it will shift, but you clicking the paddle is an indicated to the system that you want to shift, and then it takes action, so maybe that's the delay? I've also noticed a sizable delay in the time between shifting from 1 to second though. By that, I mean as I'm accelerating, I've gained another 500 - 1,000 rpms before the car actually shifts into second. I don't notice this between any other gears though. Other than this little quirk, I'm pretty impressed with the shit speeds of the A10. The A10 should always shift faster on it's own. The downside to automatics is that they don't know what you're thinking, though they've gotten pretty good at anticipation. This does result in some awkward shifting sometimes as your behavior might make the car think you're doing one thing while you're actually intending to do something else, especially when you get on it in short spurts and then back off. That's when I'm more apt to use the paddles to adjust as the car will tend to keep itself in a lower gear ready to take off again.

All that being said, with past dual clutch transmissions I've owned, I would say there was a lag when using the paddle shifters in general. Might just be perception, but I would swear that using the gear selector (in +/- mode) to shift resulted in a slightly quicker response than using the paddles. I wish we had that option in the A10 as it always felt more natural to me after decades of driving manuals.

Edit: I hope that makes sense, I haven't had my coffee yet.

 

[Spork3245]

True...I meant the delay between the shifting when using the paddles on the GT vs the GT500. The GT shifts super quick when left alone but when you hit the upshift paddle there is a slight delay whereas the GT500 upshift paddle is instant. Maybe the processor is quicker in the 500 vs the the processor the A10 uses when using the paddles? When I run WOT without using the paddles the shifts are instant with no lag but when up shifting using the paddles it takes a split second longer to shift so I just assumed that was the difference. You think the tranny the GT500 with its DC is the reason why when using the paddles it is an instant shift vs the A10?

I think it’s the way the A10 is tuned in the Mustang. I remember reviews of the Camaro ZL1 with the A10 being complemented as “instant” when shifting manually.

 

[GreenS550]

As stated earlier, the A6 in my '15 with a tune, mind you, when shifting manually would be nearly instantaneous. Up, down, whatever. At any speed and rpm. So, if this is the case with the A10, then likely I just need a tune. It was fun driving the '15 manually sometimes. I don't get this is the A10 right now. I do like the auto downshifting in sport mode though.

 

[Echo4papa]

I'm guessing the tune played a big part as I didn't have a tune in my '15 and I feel like the '19 shifts faster. I do miss the downshifting in the '15 though. I feel like it was more effective in slowing the car down because the gears were more spread out.

As stated earlier, the A6 in my '15 with a tune, mind you, when shifting manually would be nearly instantaneous. Up, down, whatever. At any speed and rpm. So, if this is the case with the A10, then likely I just need a tune. It was fun driving the '15 manually sometimes. I don't get this is the A10 right now. I do like the auto downshifting in sport mode though.

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