President Trump has an easy win in 2020

[Docscurlock]

Fair enough but only hard enough to get me back to the center it hurts too much doing the full 180..... Hopefully if that ever happens to you the garage door is down so no one can hear you

Edit: Oh look at you going and changing your avatar very nice my ex-colonial friend!

Yeah the 2000R needed some love

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[Stage_3]

So, do you think Bernie's previous employer was as Bozo the Clown, the hair reminds me of that show I used to watch as a kid.

HA HAAAAAAAAAAAA

 

[watisthis]

So, do you think Bernie's previous employer was as Bozo the Clown, the hair reminds me of that show I used to watch as a kid. Why would I want to vote to get rid of income disparity? It took a lot of work to get to where I am at. If there was no income disparity, who would I get to cut my lawn and pick up my garbage while I am relaxing in the back yard drinking beer or driving my mustangs (without drinking beer)? I'm going to vote with my wallet and Trump (for all his foibles) is making it fat. I'm hitting 15% return this year after 21% last year. Why would I want to change that?

Obviously you haven't read up on what he is purposing. A strong middle class is why we are a first world country with one of the most powerful economies in the world, simulating the middle and lower classes are imperative to stimulate the economy. Every patriot should support bettering the lives of his countrymen, especially when we have the means to do so.

Trump's hair isn't any better than Bernies, lol. Have you seen Boris Johnson?

I don't agree with Bernie on everything such as his hire diversity plan, but I expect him and the republican controlled senate to come to bipartisan laws and regulations.
https://files.taxfoundation.org/legacy/docs/TaxFoundation-FF498.pdf
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/14/bernie-sanders-2020-election-workers-046660
http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/ResponsetoCEA.pdf
https://rooseveltinstitute.org/praise-wonk-and-wonk-analysis-cea-and-sanderss-proposal/
-Joe Rogan Podcast too-

 

[Docscurlock]

Obviously you haven't read up on what he is purposing. A strong middle class is why we are a first world country with one of the most powerful economies in the world, simulating the middle and lower classes are imperative to stimulate the economy. Every patriot should support bettering the lives of his countrymen, especially when we have the means to do so.

Trump's hair isn't any better than Bernies, lol. Have you seen Boris Johnson?

I don't agree with Bernie on everything such as his hire diversity plan, but I expect him and the republican controlled senate to come to bipartisan laws and regulations.
https://files.taxfoundation.org/legacy/docs/TaxFoundation-FF498.pdf
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/14/bernie-sanders-2020-election-workers-046660
http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/ResponsetoCEA.pdf
https://rooseveltinstitute.org/praise-wonk-and-wonk-analysis-cea-and-sanderss-proposal/
-Joe Rogan Podcast too-

I only read this until I wanted to puke but here it is;
Institute a moratorium on deportations until a thorough audit of past practices and policies is complete.

So, illegal immigrants already breaking our immigration laws are given a pass and allowed to stay in this country.

Create a Medicare for All, single-payer, national health insurance program to provide everyone in America with comprehensive health care coverage, free at the point of service.
No networks, no premiums, no deductibles, no copays, no surprise bills.

We have already determined that this is impossible to pay for and will destroy the economy

Green New Deal; Transform our energy system to 100 percent renewable energy and create 20 million jobs needed to solve the climate crisis.

Do I even need to comment on how crazy this is?

Guarantee tuition and debt-free public colleges, universities, HBCUs, Minority Serving Institutions and trade-schools to all.
Cancel all student loan debt for the some 45 million Americans who owe about $1.6 trillion and place a cap on student loan interest rates going forward at 1.88 percent.

Who gets the bill for this? Not me, I paid for my own college and paid off my student debt.

Eliminate “Right to Work for Less” laws and guarantees the right to unionize for workers historically excluded from labor protections, like farm workers and domestic workers.
Double union membership within Bernie’s first term.

Why should the federal govt be able to guarantee the right to a union and force workers to pay into them?

Expand Social Security benefits for all recipients and protect pensions.

Where's the money going to come from to pay for this? Maybe you should donate your net worth to help.

End the housing crisis by investing $2.5 trillion to build nearly 10 million permanently affordable housing units.
Protect tenants by implementing a national rent control standard, a “just-cause” requirement for evictions, and ensuring the right to counsel in housing disputes.

His ideas just go on and on and on.... A trillion here, 90 trillion there, 45 trillion for medicare. There isn't that much money in the entire world. The guy is crazy, I find it hard to believe that someone intelligent enough to type would support these crazy ideas.

 

[Weather Man]

 

[Docscurlock]

Oooh, I like this one, Eliminate all of the $81 billion in past-due medical debt held by 79 million Americans —one in every six Americans.

Who gets to write that check?

Provide $150 billion through the Green New Deal in infrastructure grants and technical assistance for municipalities and/or states to build publicly owned and democratically controlled, co-operative, or open access broadband networks.

So, wireless broadband is a natural human right now?

Enact a federal jobs guarantee, to ensure that everyone is guaranteed a stable job that pays a living wage.

I like this one too. Who is going to hire these people?

 

[watisthis]

I only read this until I wanted to puke but here it is;
Institute a moratorium on deportations until a thorough audit of past practices and policies is complete.

So, illegal immigrants already breaking our immigration laws are given a pass and allowed to stay in this country.

Create a Medicare for All, single-payer, national health insurance program to provide everyone in America with comprehensive health care coverage, free at the point of service.
No networks, no premiums, no deductibles, no copays, no surprise bills.

We have already determined that this is impossible to pay for and will destroy the economy

Green New Deal; Transform our energy system to 100 percent renewable energy and create 20 million jobs needed to solve the climate crisis.

Do I even need to comment on how crazy this is?

Guarantee tuition and debt-free public colleges, universities, HBCUs, Minority Serving Institutions and trade-schools to all.
Cancel all student loan debt for the some 45 million Americans who owe about $1.6 trillion and place a cap on student loan interest rates going forward at 1.88 percent.

Who gets the bill for this? Not me, I paid for my own college and paid off my student debt.

Eliminate “Right to Work for Less” laws and guarantees the right to unionize for workers historically excluded from labor protections, like farm workers and domestic workers.
Double union membership within Bernie’s first term.

Why should the federal govt be able to guarantee the right to a union and force workers to pay into them?

Expand Social Security benefits for all recipients and protect pensions.

Where's the money going to come from to pay for this? Maybe you should donate your net worth to help.

End the housing crisis by investing $2.5 trillion to build nearly 10 million permanently affordable housing units.
Protect tenants by implementing a national rent control standard, a “just-cause” requirement for evictions, and ensuring the right to counsel in housing disputes.

His ideas just go on and on and on.... A trillion here, 90 trillion there, 45 trillion for medicare. There isn't that much money in the entire world. The guy is crazy, I find it hard to believe that someone intelligent enough to type would support these crazy ideas.

These are introductory bills so they are still up for bipartisan debate and would most likely require coming to a compromise.

I would suggest asking yourself these same questions and trying to find the answers yourself to help better understand policy. Best to do your own research and come to your own conclusions based on cited data.

Obviously there is a lot more to it than what you and I are paraphrasing, not to get too far into the weeds with explaining it all, but all his plans save money and are more cost effective than what we are currently doing.

His medicare for all is estimated to cost 32 trillion over 10 years, will actually save at least hundreds of billions per year than the current system. The US, by the way, is the only developed country that doesn't have universal healthcare, even many third world countries like Mexico and all of South America do. Also, our current system is expected to grow more costly to the tune of 6 trillion annually by 2027.

His climate change plan is one of the few plans that takes into account that we have just a decade or two to cut out carbon emissions in half, and this plan will pay for itself by the revenues and savings it will make. Also, his policies like tuition-free college, Wall Street speculation tax which will also be used for student loan cancellation is already common place in Europe. Doing nothing would cost us 70 trillion.

Student loan debt cancellation requires less than a 0.5% tax on Wall Street speculations.

I'm not sure how you think we funded wall streets bailout if you believe this is a tall order.

 

[watisthis]

Oooh, I like this one, Eliminate all of the $81 billion in past-due medical debt held by 79 million Americans —one in every six Americans.

Who gets to write that check?

Provide $150 billion through the Green New Deal in infrastructure grants and technical assistance for municipalities and/or states to build publicly owned and democratically controlled, co-operative, or open access broadband networks.

So, wireless broadband is a natural human right now?

Enact a federal jobs guarantee, to ensure that everyone is guaranteed a stable job that pays a living wage.

I like this one too. Who is going to hire these people?

Broadband there's a lot more to it than just that as you can research the digital divide.

Fiscal policy - Youtube:
Presidential lecture series: Stephanie Kelton
Joe Rogan Podcast: Bernie Sanders

The first is a good idea on Bernies Fiscal policies and the 2nd is well Bernie's speaking points. If you don't care to watch or listen to either then there really is no quick or easy way to answer your questions.

 

[Docscurlock]

These are introductory bills so they are still up for bipartisan debate and would most likely require coming to a compromise.

But these are the crazy ideas he is running on.

His medicare for all is estimated to cost 32 trillion over 10 years, will actually save at least hundreds of billions per year than the current system. The US, by the way, is the only developed country that doesn't have universal healthcare, even many third world countries like Mexico and all of South America do. Also, our current system is expected to grow more costly to the tune of 6 trillion annually by 2027.

Save who? I am happy paying my own insurance and getting my own healthcare. You need to look at the problems that these other countries have with universal healthcare. Our current system works just fine, the people that can afford healthcare have it, the rest go on medicare or medicaid. People aren't dying in the streets in America for lack of healthcare but they are in Mexico. You need to look at these other countries and the problems they have. The rich, no matter where they are will be able to get good healthcare. Rich Canadians come here, Rich Mexicans pay for private services. Rich Americans will end up going to the Carribean to get private healthcare from expat American doctors. The middle class are the ones who will suffer, too poor to get the expat treatments and stuck in the same old run down medicare system that everyone gets. No thank you!

His climate change plan is one of the few plans that takes into account that we have just a decade or two to cut out carbon emissions in half, and this plan will pay for itself by the revenues and savings it will make. Also, his policies like tuition-free college, Wall Street speculation tax which will also be used for student loan cancellation is already common place in Europe. Doing nothing would cost us 70 trillion.

Decade or two til what? The world ends? More crazy speculation by deluded people. Wall street speculation tax? I thought we already taxed all that for universal medicare?

Student loan debt cancellation requires less than a 0.5% tax on Wall Street speculations.

Taxing Wall street again? How many speculation taxes can you have? Why should investors have to pay for your student debt? Pay for your own failures.

I'm not sure how you think we funded wall streets bailout if you believe this is a tall order.

Bailing out Wall Street was criminal but I don't see any sense in doubling down on stupid.

 

[Docscurlock]

Broadband there's a lot more to it than just that as you can research the digital divide.

WTF are you talking about?

Fiscal policy - Youtube:
Presidential lecture series: Stephanie Kelton
Joe Rogan Podcast: Bernie Sanders

The first is a good idea on Bernies Fiscal policies and the 2nd is well Bernie's speaking points. If you don't care to watch or listen to either then there really is no quick or easy way to answer your questions.

I have read and heard all the crazy shit from this guy I am ever going to, redistributing wealth does not work. Real wealth flees the country and the rest ends up in the pockets of the Politburo. There is no sense in explaining anything more to me about this because it is worthless tripe. If you want to live in a socialist utopia move to one, if you can find it anywhere. As for me, i will fight to the last breath to keep this country I love from becoming a socialist shithole.

 

[watisthis]

WTF are you talking about?

I have read and heard all the crazy shit from this guy I am ever going to, redistributing wealth does not work. Real wealth flees the country and the rest ends up in the pockets of the Politburo. There is no sense in explaining anything more to me about this because it is worthless tripe. If you want to live in a socialist utopia move to one, if you can find it anywhere. As for me, i will fight to the last breath to keep this country I love from becoming a socialist shithole.

Redistributing has worked it was called capital gains taxes. Millionaires and billionaires in the US and worldwide don't actually leave their homes that much and stay where they have jobs or business, in general where they live. Turns out they care more about where they live, the schools their kids go to, their country clubs, and so on more than the tax rates. See CA and other incredibly high tax states.

Look, I'm just gonna quote a post as I really don't care nor have the patience to explain this over and over again to people who can't or won't research cited economic facts or are unable to look over ones provided. Anyone saying 'O u WaNt SocIalIsT UtOpIa' is honestly too brainlet for me to even give a shit and hasn't bothered to learn how a capitalist economy works.


"Republicans are servants to their ultra-rich masters. It has been this way for quite some time, a pattern that repeats itself - boom and bust cycles the ultra-rich are largely insulated from.

Major crashes tend to happen four generations apart. One thing that tends to get overlooked, preceding the declaration of independence in 1776 was the credit crisis of 1772. British looking to increase revenue implemented the Stamp Act, Townshend Act, and the Tea Act, the latter of which lead to the Boston Tea Party. The purpose of the Tea Act was to give the East India Co. full and unlimited access to the American Tea Trade and to exempt them from taxes on tea exported to the American colonies. It was the largest tax break in history and at the time most of the British government were shareholders.

1857 there was another major crash, banks across the country were failing and it was written that it was the worst financial condition the country had seen in its history. The civil war started just four years later.

In 1920 Warren Harding won in a landslide on the platform of "more business in government, less government in business", largely ignoring toothless laws like the Tillman Act of 1907 and Federal Corrupt Practices Act of 1910. With wealthy industrialists like Andrew Mellon serving as treasury secretary, they slashed taxes for the super-wealthy in America from 77% down to 24% with the Revenue Acts of 1921, 1924, and 1926. Labor protection was rolled back, unions were busted, regulations were stripped. All that excess cash lead to a bubble in the stock market, which burst in 1929. The average worker's wages did not keep pace with productivity gains of the 1920s, and by 1929 production was outstripping demand. Hoover increased federal spending on infrastructure, but relied on private industry to provide relief and worried against creating a welfare state avoided providing direct relief to those hardest hit (unemployed and farmers).

FDR set us on a different course. It almost didn't happen, in 1933 the ultra-rich tried to set up a fascist government in the US by having two time Medal of Honor USMC General Smedley Butler lead a coup against him. Instead, Butler testified to the Committee on Un-American Activities. And thanks to FDR Social security was started in 1935. Labor gained more power. This paved the way for a strong and growing middle class in the '50s through the '70s.

While the ultra-rich agenda domestically had been temporarily defeated, internationally they were just getting started. With a growing concern of the spread of communism (and the nationalization of their business interests along with it), many US companies supported Nazi Germany in their fight against the Soviets (and some for ideological reasons): IBM, GE, Ford, GM, DuPont, Kodak, Standard Oil, Chase, JP Morgan and many others. Postwar, Eisenhower perhaps feeling guilty of the path he set us on warned of the military industrial complex. A path leading to the overthrow of sometimes democratically elected governments often in favor of fascists that were favorable to US business interests.

Domestically, we saw much social change in this time - the civil rights movement, anti-war protesters, etc. We also saw the creation of Medicare. 68% of Americans were working union jobs. The response to all of this was a corporate call to arms, which came in 1971. Just before Lewis Powell was confirmed to the Supreme Court by Nixon, he wrote a secret memo that outlined their strategy, which called on corporate leaders to launch an economic and ideological assault on high school & college campuses, the media, the courts, and Capitol hill. Over the past 48 years, we have been witnessing this plan in action.

1973 we started to see think tanks like Charles Koch Foundation (later changed to CATO institute), Heritage Foundation and others start to emerge. They recognized that the judiciary was the most important area to infiltrate, which they were pretty successful at. 1976 in Buckley vs. Valeo ruled that political money is speech. 1977 Supreme court overturned state restrictions on corporate political spending. 1982 the Federalist Society was founded to give a new generation an indoctrination to these types of legal interpretations that favor corporate interest. By 1987 the Fairness doctrine was abolished and paved the way for Rush Limbaugh. By 1996 Roger Ailes dream of GOP TV became a reality when Fox News came on the air.

So fast forward to today - taxes on the wealthy and corporations have never been lower. The military-industrial complex is roaring. Union participation in the private sector is down to about 6%. Wealth inequality is at 1929 levels (but this time around Americans are more highly leveraged with debt).

If you want to know which way the wind is blowing, look at the billionaire class. A study done in 2012 by the Tax Justice Center estimates they have $32 trillion stashed away, mostly in offshore tax shelters (hint hint Panama papers). They are hoarding cash so when things eventually break they will be able to buy up assets for pennies on the dollar. We didn't learn much from 2008, in fact, the derivatives market has ballooned to $1.2 quadrillion dollars ($1,200 trillion). When that blows up there is literally not enough money in the world to fix it, as it's about 21-22 times the world's money supply.

Change is possible, but with a completely complicit GOP (and many complicit Democrats), a 24hr propaganda news network, generations of people indoctrinated to corporate interests, stacked courts, and current Trump administration there is a very small chance real change will happen before the next crash comes.

We need to vote. We need to vote for people that are committed to overturning Citizens United and getting money out of politics (even if it means passing a bill like the Judicial Procedures Reform Bill of 1937). Getting the Fairness doctrine back in place. Willing to slash the defense budget. Increase taxes on the wealthy, expand Medicare to cover everyone, increase the minimum wage, rebuild infrastructure, don't deny science, and will pursue accountability for those that have sold this country out to make a buck. Anything less is a band-aid."

 

[Docscurlock]

Redistributing has worked it was called capital gains taxes. Millionaires and billionaires in the US and worldwide don't actually leave their homes that much and stay where they have jobs or business, in general where they live. Turns out they care more about where they live, the schools their kids go to, their country clubs, and so on more than the tax rates. See CA and other incredibly high tax states.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/apr/10/new-york-high-tax-states-see-exodus-wealthy-americ/
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/26/800...lee-new-york-california-because-of-taxes.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/why-rich-new-yorkers-are-moving-to-miami-taxes-apartments-2019-6
https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/americans-flee-high-tax-states

If they don't move themselves they move their money offshore, see your own point further down.
Enough said

"Republicans are servants to their ultra-rich masters. It has been this way for quite some time, a pattern that repeats itself - boom and bust cycles the ultra-rich are largely insulated from.

Democrats are the Party of the ultra wealthy:
Income
An individual’s likelihood of being a Democrat decreases with every additional dollar he or she earns. Democrats have a huge advantage (63 percent) with voters earning less than $15,000 per year. This advantage carries forward for individuals earning up to $50,000 per year, and then turns in the Republicans’ favor — with just 36 percent of individuals earning more than $200,000 per year supporting Democrats.

Interestingly, the median household income in the United States is $49,777 — right near the point where the Democratic advantage disappears and the Republicans take over.

About half of Democrats express satisfaction with their personal financial situation, compared with 61 percent of Republicans and 52 percent of Independents.

Ultra-Wealthy
While Democrats lose support as income increases, there seems to be a tipping point where the ultra-wealthy begin leaning Democratic. The most famous example would be the entertainment industry, where star-studded events have become a significant part of Democratic culture.

But this phenomenon is not limited to Hollywood. A review of the 20 richest Americans, as listed by Forbes Magazine, found that 60 percent affiliate with the Democratic Party, including the top three individuals: Bill Gates, Warren Buffett and Larry Ellison. Among the riches families, the Democratic advantage rises even higher, to 75 percent.

Democratic is the party of the ultra rich, Hollywood elite and Wall street Hedge Fund Managers, not republican.

Democrats are the party of Racism:
Founded in 1865, the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) extended into almost every southern state by 1870 and became a vehicle for white southern resistance to the Republican Party’s Reconstruction-era policies aimed at establishing political and economic equality for blacks. Its members waged an underground campaign of intimidation and violence directed at white and black Republican leaders. Though Congress passed legislation designed to curb Klan terrorism, the organization saw its primary goal–the reestablishment of white supremacy–fulfilled through Democratic victories in state legislatures across the South in the 1870s. After a period of decline, white Protestant nativist groups revived the Klan in the early 20th century, burning crosses and staging rallies, parades and marches denouncing immigrants, Catholics, Jews, blacks and organized labor. The civil rights movement of the 1960s also saw a surge of Ku Klux Klan activity, including bombings of black schools and churches and violence against black and white activists in the South.

So fast forward to today - taxes on the wealthy and corporations have never been lower. The military-industrial complex is roaring. Union participation in the private sector is down to about 6%. Wealth inequality is at 1929 levels (but this time around Americans are more highly leveraged with debt). If you want to know which way the wind is blowing, look at the billionaire class. A study done in 2012 by the Tax Justice Center estimates they have $32 trillion stashed away, mostly in offshore tax shelters (hint hint Panama papers). They are hoarding cash so when things eventually break they will be able to buy up assets for pennies on the dollar.

That is an example of moving assets away from this country to places where it is taxed less. Just imagine if those people felt secure enough to bring that back and invest it into companies in America. They move it off shore so people like Bernie don't view it as their personal piggy bank to buy votes.

Change is possible, but with a completely complicit GOP (and many complicit Democrats), a 24hr propaganda news network, generations of people indoctrinated to corporate interests, stacked courts, and current Trump administration there is a very small chance real change will happen before the next crash comes.

What is the best way to hedge for the next crash? 1. Work hard and save some money to get you through tough times or 2. Tax the wealthy out of existence and redistribute the money to people who won't work and fail to save?

We need to vote. We need to vote for people that are committed to overturning Citizens United and getting money out of politics (even if it means passing a bill like the Judicial Procedures Reform Bill of 1937). Getting the Fairness doctrine back in place. Willing to slash the defense budget. Increase taxes on the wealthy, expand Medicare to cover everyone, increase the minimum wage, rebuild infrastructure, don't deny science, and will pursue accountability for those that have sold this country out to make a buck. Anything less is a band-aid."

Or how about voting for reduced government interference in business and make it possible for people to invest money in businesses, earn a wage to support themselves and stop pandering to unrealistic "climate change" boogeymen? I see 2 different methods here, 1 Where hard work is rewarded with good wages and personal property and 2. redistribution of wealth and free crap for every bum on the street.

 

[watisthis]

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/apr/10/new-york-high-tax-states-see-exodus-wealthy-americ/
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/26/800...lee-new-york-california-because-of-taxes.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/why-rich-new-yorkers-are-moving-to-miami-taxes-apartments-2019-6
https://www.biggerpockets.com/blog/americans-flee-high-tax-states

If they don't move themselves they move their money offshore, see your own point further down.
Enough said


Democrats are the Party of the ultra wealthy:
Income
An individual’s likelihood of being a Democrat decreases with every additional dollar he or she earns. Democrats have a huge advantage (63 percent) with voters earning less than $15,000 per year. This advantage carries forward for individuals earning up to $50,000 per year, and then turns in the Republicans’ favor — with just 36 percent of individuals earning more than $200,000 per year supporting Democrats.

Interestingly, the median household income in the United States is $49,777 — right near the point where the Democratic advantage disappears and the Republicans take over.

About half of Democrats express satisfaction with their personal financial situation, compared with 61 percent of Republicans and 52 percent of Independents.

Ultra-Wealthy
While Democrats lose support as income increases, there seems to be a tipping point where the ultra-wealthy begin leaning Democratic. The most famous example would be the entertainment industry, where star-studded events have become a significant part of Democratic culture.

But this phenomenon is not limited to Hollywood. A review of the 20 richest Americans, as listed by Forbes Magazine, found that 60 percent affiliate with the Democratic Party, including the top three individuals: Bill Gates, Warren Buffett and Larry Ellison. Among the riches families, the Democratic advantage rises even higher, to 75 percent.

Democratic is the party of the ultra rich, Hollywood elite and Wall street Hedge Fund Managers, not republican.

Democrats are the party of Racism:
Founded in 1865, the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) extended into almost every southern state by 1870 and became a vehicle for white southern resistance to the Republican Party’s Reconstruction-era policies aimed at establishing political and economic equality for blacks. Its members waged an underground campaign of intimidation and violence directed at white and black Republican leaders. Though Congress passed legislation designed to curb Klan terrorism, the organization saw its primary goal–the reestablishment of white supremacy–fulfilled through Democratic victories in state legislatures across the South in the 1870s. After a period of decline, white Protestant nativist groups revived the Klan in the early 20th century, burning crosses and staging rallies, parades and marches denouncing immigrants, Catholics, Jews, blacks and organized labor. The civil rights movement of the 1960s also saw a surge of Ku Klux Klan activity, including bombings of black schools and churches and violence against black and white activists in the South.



That is an example of moving assets away from this country to places where it is taxed less. Just imagine if those people felt secure enough to bring that back and invest it into companies in America. They move it off shore so people like Bernie don't view it as their personal piggy bank to buy votes.



What is the best way to hedge for the next crash? 1. Work hard and save some money to get you through tough times or 2. Tax the wealthy out of existence and redistribute the money to people who won't work and fail to save?


Or how about voting for reduced government interference in business and make it possible for people to invest money in businesses, earn a wage to support themselves and stop pandering to unrealistic "climate change" boogeymen? I see 2 different methods here, 1 Where hard work is rewarded with good wages and personal property and 2. redistribution of wealth and free crap for every bum on the street.

1) Yeah, those aren't the 1%ers this bill is aimed at. Did you look over the tax plan document I linked? Plus I am more in favor of a VAT.

2) I'm not saying democrats as a party are any better than republicans when accepting money or corruption. I fail to see how that affects Bernie who isn't being bought by large donors and super pacs. Did you even read what I posted?

3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy Yes, there have been many Democrats who were extremely racist, so has the Republican Party. The point is mute as both sides have not been kind to race relations in the past, although party lines have swapped back and forth a time or two.

4) Panama papers? You don't understand how capitalism works, money moved off shore and outside of taxes does worse for our economy as it is not spent. Yes, buying Bernie who isn't taking being funded by super pacs.

5) Saving isn't hedging what? Do you know how hedging or inflation works? Do you need me to post how finances in capitalism works?

 

[Docscurlock]

1) Yeah, those aren't the 1%ers this bill is aimed at. Did you look over the tax plan document I linked? Plus I am more in favor of a VAT.

How about not taxing anymore, not spending anymore than we do already?

2) I'm not saying democrats as a party are any better than republicans when accepting money or corruption. I fail to see how that affects Bernie who isn't being bought by large donors and super pacs. Did you even read what I posted?

Seems Dems think they are on a higher moral ground because they think they are supporting the party of the "poor" when in fact they are the party of the "rich hedge fund managers".

3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy Yes, there have been many Democrats who were extremely racist, so has the Republican Party. The point is mute as both sides have not been kind to race relations in the past, although party lines have swapped back and forth a time or two.

I haven't seen any switching back and forth, the war on poverty since the sixties has been the most racist thing they ever could have done.

4) Panama papers? You don't understand how capitalism works, money moved off shore and outside of taxes does worse for our economy as it is not spent. Yes, buying Bernie who isn't taking being funded by super pacs.

I understand capitalism just fine. My point was the money is moved offshore because they think people like Bernie will steal it from them. My other point is, if that $32 trillion were here in the states being invested in jobs and people it would make our economy even that much greater.

5) Saving isn't hedging what? Do you know how hedging or inflation works? Do you need me to post how finances in capitalism works?

I understand inflation and capitalism just fine, I am not sure someone who can support a socialist can teach me anything about capitalism, business, investing, inflation etc. I stated that there were 2 options on how to weather a financial crisis, save money ahead of time or expect to be taken care of by the government.

Super pacs, PACS, superdelegates or whatever don't mean anything as far as Bernie goes. By his own admittance and his published "platform" he fully intends to steal money that I have worked for and saved and give it to someone else that hasn't done that. Nobody that is successful and has any means would support that unless they thought they could be involved in the dispersement of said ill gotten gains. You can wrap it up in all the morality, progressiveness, "wokeness" new age whatever and it all boils down to stealing wealth from one person and giving it to another.

PS. where is QCman? Even debating a Canadian makes more sense than a socialist.

 

[Qcman17]

PS. where is QCman? Even debating a Canadian makes more sense than a socialist.

I'm here and I'm really enjoying being just a reader right now.........

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