I hate to bring this up but....

[geoking]

Right, forgot what this post was about. I hope everyone who has ordered a GT500 gets it on time.

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[kilobravo]

I do not and will not use a self checkout.

EcoVert: Can I get a BIG "AMEN!" on that?! Never have, never will. Let's just hope that SOME company(s) sees the error of their ways with this idea.

 

[kilobravo]

Guess GT500 owners will just have to wait possibly.

If it happens, it happens. I can wait, no problemo. And I'll be rooting for every one of the strikers. Sure hope it'll still be OK to take delivery of the new car though (in their eyes.) Another consideration is sabotage which does happen, I've seen it in another big business with mechanics. Let's just hope for everyone's sake that the parties can be reasonable and get a contract for ratification quickly.

 

[Hack]

Hows all that working out for GM employees? GM builds more cars in mexico now. Shutters American plants. And worst of all took a goverment bailout when the going got tuff. You wanna call the working man greedy for wanting a cost of living raise? When board members collect hundreds of millions in bonuses? Doesn't matter if the company is profitable or not? Look up the bonus the president of GM collected in 2009. When he went to Obama with his hat in his hand. Begging for a goverment hand out. Dont talk to me about these great American companies. If it wasn't for the bail out Ford would have been the last American car manufacturer standing.

The goal of the company is to make money. If the union forces them to over pay American workers, they are not going to be competitive. They have to find a way to build cars cheaply enough so they can make money. Otherwise they will go out of business.

If company management messes up, they can be fired. They aren't protected by a union agreement. And company management regularly are removed. But it's important to find executives who make really good decisions, so companies usually end up paying them well. Otherwise those executives will go work somewhere else.

The company doesn't care more about an executive than they do about a line worker. It's just more difficult to find an experienced executive than it is to find someone to turn a wrench on an assembly line. And the company is FORCED to pay executives more in order to get them to come from whatever successful business they are currently running.

I hope the greedy union employees don't delay the GT500. I don't think I'll see one in person any time soon, but I'm really looking forward to press reviews and hopefully Daytona feedback from @Tomster etc.

 

[kilobravo]

The company doesn't care more about an executive than they do about a line worker.

That is a complete falsehood. Without a doubt, the Board of Directors care more about the executives than the hourly employees, just look at bonuses and MBO's.

 

[jcartwright734]

The goal of the company is to make money. If the union forces them to over pay American workers, they are not going to be competitive. They have to find a way to build cars cheaply enough so they can make money. Otherwise they will go out of business.

If company management messes up, they can be fired. They aren't protected by a union agreement. And company management regularly are removed. But it's important to find executives who make really good decisions, so companies usually end up paying them well. Otherwise those executives will go work somewhere else.

The company doesn't care more about an executive than they do about a line worker. It's just more difficult to find an experienced executive than it is to find someone to turn a wrench on an assembly line. And the company is FORCED to pay executives more in order to get them to come from whatever successful business they are currently running.

I hope the greedy union employees don't delay the GT500. I don't think I'll see one in person any time soon, but I'm really looking forward to press reviews and hopefully Daytona feedback from @Tomster etc.

We need to get back on topic of the GT500 but your start of your last paragraph is troll bait. Greedy union employees? Have you ever worked in a factory? Guess what, it's not easy. Does the UAW have problem employees? Sure, just like other businesses do. You may want to go back and take a look at why the UAW was created. If you think that there isn't a reason to still have them, you are naive. It's clear you underestimate the greed and lack of empathy that upper management can have in large corporations.

I've worked both sides. I've seen first hand how management treats plant floor employees. I also work in one of the most greedy industries there is on the business side. In my experience, it's the exact opposite of how you start your third paragraph.

 

[Hack]

That is a complete falsehood. Without a doubt, the Board of Directors care more about the executives than the hourly employees, just look at bonuses and MBO's.

Bonuses are a method to pay the executive less money and to only pay them if they get results. It's part of the salary negotiations. Like I said, it's just more difficult to attract a person who has a history of turning businesses around and making them profitable. So the company is forced to pay them more than they would prefer to.

We need to get back on topic of the GT500 but your start of your last paragraph is troll bait. Greedy union employees? Have you ever worked in a factory? Guess what, it's not easy. Does the UAW have problem employees? Sure, just like other businesses do. You may want to go back and take a look at why the UAW was created. If you think that there isn't a reason to still have them, you are naive. It's clear you underestimate the greed and lack of empathy that upper management can have in large corporations.

I've worked both sides. I've seen first hand how management treats plant floor employees. I also work in one of the most greedy industries there is on the business side. In my experience, it's the exact opposite of how you start your third paragraph.

Agreed about getting back on topic. I have worked crappy jobs, but not on a factory floor. My first job was "picking rock". That job is exactly what it sounds like. Picking up rocks from a farmer's (he was a relative) field and moving them away from the area where he wanted to plant crops. If he would have paid me $1 an hour for what I did, it would have been 3x or 4x what I actually got paid. At the time I was too young to hold a "real" job, so I didn't have other options that would pay me more. I didn't try to negotiate with him, and at the end I felt cheated.

So, I think I know exactly what it is like working in a job that doesn't pay a lot. But I was a pre-teen when I got "taken advantage of by the man". I don't feel sorry for adults who decide that they can't negotiate on their own or can't leave and find a better job if the pay is too low. And picking rock is a super easy job that anyone can do. It's a job for a young person who doesn't have the experience or knowledge to do something that is worth more. I learned my lesson and I never worked for that relative again and I also looked for more difficult, higher paying jobs after that.

In my opinion it is wrong to expect to get paid a lot of money if you are performing a simple task for your work. If you want to make a lot of money, get a difficult job.

 

[jcartwright734]

Bonuses are a method to pay the executive less money and to only pay them if they get results. It's part of the salary negotiations. Like I said, it's just more difficult to attract a person who has a history of turning businesses around and making them profitable. So the company is forced to pay them more than they would prefer to.



Agreed about getting back on topic. I have worked crappy jobs, but not on a factory floor. My first job was "picking rock". That job is exactly what it sounds like. Picking up rocks from a farmer's (he was a relative) field and moving them away from the area where he wanted to plant crops. If he would have paid me $1 an hour for what I did, it would have been 3x or 4x what I actually got paid. At the time I was too young to hold a "real" job, so I didn't have other options that would pay me more. I didn't try to negotiate with him, and at the end I felt cheated.

So, I think I know exactly what it is like working in a job that doesn't pay a lot. But I was a pre-teen when I got "taken advantage of by the man". I don't feel sorry for adults who decide that they can't negotiate on their own or can't leave and find a better job if the pay is too low. And picking rock is a super easy job that anyone can do. It's a job for a young person who doesn't have the experience or knowledge to do something that is worth more. I learned my lesson and I never worked for that relative again and I also looked for more difficult, higher paying jobs after that.

In my opinion it is wrong to expect to get paid a lot of money if you are performing a simple task for your work. If you want to make a lot of money, get a difficult job.

And with your last paragraph, therein lies the problem. A lot of the jobs are difficult. People die, get injured, and maimed on the job. Job conditions while much better than they used to be, are still tough to deal with. Equating picking up rocks to this seems way overly simplistic.

Anyhow, isn’t production starting soon. I’ll be on the look out this weekend for them as I will be in SE Michigan.

 

[Hack]

And with your last paragraph, therein lies the problem. A lot of the jobs are difficult. People die, get injured, and maimed on the job. Job conditions while much better than they used to be, are still tough to deal with. Equating picking up rocks to this seems way overly simplistic.

Anyhow, isn’t production starting soon. I’ll be on the look out this weekend for them as I will be in SE Michigan.

Yes - hopefully as production starts we will see some press releases start! I'm really looking forward to the reviews.

I agree it's not easy working at many different jobs. What I was trying to say is that if most people can easily do a job, it's not difficult for a company to find a person to fill that job. And that means the job probably won't pay a lot.

The other thing is that if a job sucks, the worker has the freedom to go find a better job or to start their own business. If the worker can't find another job that they are able to do and that pays more, then the job the worker currently has is the "best" job for them (if pay is their only consideration). I realize I'm over simplifying, but bottom line is nobody holds a gun to a worker's head and tells them they can't go find something better if they don't like the working conditions or pay. That's why some crab fisherman and oil rig operators make a lot of money. Those are difficult and dangerous jobs, so they pay a lot even though the work is relatively simple.

 

[Bikeman315]

Not only replacing us with illegal immigrants but with machines. Anyone one been in Walmart lately they have installed more self checkouts and reduced to five or six lanes where there is a casher and usually they only have two of those lanes manned. Walmart wants you to use the self checkouts and eventually that's all they'll have. No need to have ten people to run registers when you can have one or two watching cameras. I do not and will not use a self checkout.

Silly question. Do you pump your own gas? When I lived in NJ they did not allow you to. If you touched a pump on the NJ Turnpike they almost threatened to throw you in jail. I much prefer it here in SC. Do it myself, no one touches my car. By the way most people in NJ want to pump their own. Isn’t that the same as self checkout?

At the end of the day you can resist but you cannot win.

 

[FastCarFanBoy]

Ahhh yes, the greedy union workers...

 

[EcoVert]

By the way most people in NJ want to pump their own. Isn’t that the same as self checkout?

May be that way in NJ but not here or anywhere else I've been. What you are describing is what we use to call a full service gas station and there ain't none of those anywhere I've been for a long time. I'm old enough to remember full service gas stations it was a great experience fill up your car with gas and wash your windshield. Believe me if there where full service gas stations around I'd be going to them and not pumping my own gas.

 

[geoking]

May be that way in NJ but not here or anywhere else I've been. What you are describing is what we use to call a full service gas station and there ain't none of those anywhere I've been for a long time. I'm old enough to remember full service gas stations it was a great experience fill up your car with gas and wash your windshield. Believe me if there where full service gas stations around I'd be going to them and not pumping my own gas.

>>>>>ah, the good old days: and check your oil level , tire pressure and top off the fluids... brings back great memories. One of my jobs when I was trying to pay my way through school. (Standard Oil Station) I remember we had to show the dip stick to the customer.

 

[FastCarFanBoy]

Oregon still had full service stations a few years ago when I was there.

 

[Bikeman315]

May be that way in NJ but not here or anywhere else I've been. What you are describing is what we use to call a full service gas station and there ain't none of those anywhere I've been for a long time. I'm old enough to remember full service gas stations it was a great experience fill up your car with gas and wash your windshield. Believe me if there where full service gas stations around I'd be going to them and not pumping my own gas.

In NJ I think it’s a case of wanting something you cannot have. I too remember full service stations. My father in law owned one. Used to work weekends pumping gas for a few extra bucks. I wonder how many forum members would actually use one if they were not allowed to touch their car. You do, I did, but that’s just us.

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