Drag vs roll racing????

[NoVaGT]

Im getting ready to do a track day with my car......

Let's cover this again;

THIS is a track;

THIS is a drag strip;

And finally, THIS is a "track day";

OP, you're going to the drag strip, not a Track Day.

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[gregsdart]

As a dragracer of fifty years ( 48 of it legal at a track!) I find most of the responses rather uneducated so far. I have raced stock, bracket, and quick 16. First, the first five feet or less of a drag race are the toughest on driveline parts. Radial tires are harder yet on parts if they dead hook. The first gear launch and any raised rpm (transbrake,loose converter) produce serious torque multiplication, hurting parts. Total time at or near the upper part of the power and is hardest on the motor. So which type of racing keeps the motor in that range the longest is the hardest on parts.
As to the skill of driving, a stick car is at a disadvantage. But either stick or auto has challenges of shift points, and the driver skill at the starting line can be greatly affected by mods to the car, as it is a given that it is MUCH better to change the reaction time of the car to match the drivers reaction time than the other way around. The finish line in bracket type racing is at a whole nother level, but that probably doesn't applied hear unless there is a handicap system involved. Trying to compensate for a fast leaving car ( I. e. a stick car, big slicks) or a slow leaving car ( stock tires, tire spin, etc) is a losing proposition at best compared to a car tuned to match the drivers natural timing, which is usually hitting it at the last yellow.

 

[w3rkn]

You try launching 700-1000whp with the auto. And get back to me. While your at it. Make sure to do better than my double zero reaction time. If it was easy. Everyone would get paid to do it.

Roll racing isn't about reaction time.

Drag racing is a hobby that most find utterly foolish, because there is ZERO point to it. The sports exists only to brag about how much money they spend on drag equipment. Dragging isn't about the car, it is all about the Driver and the Driver's wallet, nothing more. Period!

Most draggers don't even know how to drive a car, that is why the end up on a track with no turns.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Roll racing isn't about reaction time.

Drag racing is a hobby that most find utterly foolish, because there is ZERO point to it. The sports exists only to brag about how much money they spend on drag equipment. Dragging isn't about the car, it is all about the Driver and the Driver's wallet, nothing more. Period!

Most draggers don't even know how to drive a car, that is why the end up on a track with no turns.

Roll racing isn’t about reaction time........no shit....dumb ass. If you can’t keep up with the conversation. Other people are having. Please refrain from typing on this forum.

 

[w3rkn]

Roll racing isn’t about reaction time........no shit....dumb ass. If you can’t keep up with the conversation. Other people are having. Please refrain from typing on this forum.

This thread is about ROLL RACING, not drag racing, yet all your post are about drag racing..

Not sure why you can't help yourself, or how Your reaction time matter to anyone at all, ever... unless you are being sponsored, or getting paid.

 

[Sivi70980]

Roll racing isn't about reaction time.

Drag racing is a hobby that most find utterly foolish, because there is ZERO point to it. The sports exists only to brag about how much money they spend on drag equipment. Dragging isn't about the car, it is all about the Driver and the Driver's wallet, nothing more. Period!

Most draggers don't even know how to drive a car, that is why the end up on a track with no turns.

Drag racing was always my favorite to watch growing up...and monster trucks but that's a different forum. Pretty sure it exists for more than bragging and money.

 

[Sivi70980]

This thread is about ROLL RACING, not drag racing, yet all your post are about drag racing..

Not sure why you can't help yourself, or how Your reaction time matter to anyone at all, ever... unless you are being sponsored, or getting paid.

Thread title is Drag vs. Roll racing....

 

[Ninjak]

"Rollin aint racing !" That is what is said around here. But with all of the streetracingmadesafe events and other things, role racing has its place. If your running a modded F/I car, then roll racing is fun. Hit the gas and hold on. I prefer the dig, but hey its all in fun at the end of the day.

 

[w3rkn]

Thread title is Drag vs. Roll racing....

Correct, and they want to know the difference... not hear about how great someone thinks they are.

 

[Sivi70980]

Correct, and they want to know the difference... not hear about how great someone thinks they are.

Soooooo, what's your take on the actual difference then? All you've gone on about is your disdain for something that's been around longer than you have. Do you find roll racing equally pointless? Why even comment on the thread at that point?

 

[gregsdart]

So many uneducated people!! You can tell who has never participated in drag racing, or even learned anything about it based on their moronic and inaccurate statements.
First off, anyone that doesn't think reaction time doesn't matter in a roll race doesn't understand basic math. If you are an imperceptible one tenth of a second ahead of the other guy when the race starts, you will be ahead at the end by a large margin. Take the final mph, let's say 120 mph. Subtract the starting speed, 60 mph. The difference is 60 mph, right? Or 88 feet per second OR 8.8 FEET FOR THAT ONE TENTH OF A SECOND! A closer race then? How about 1/100 of a second? That is .88 feet, or 10.8 inches for ONE ONE HUNDRETH OF A SECOND! SO TAKE A NAP IF YOU WANT TO! I will kick your butt every time. I have seen these numbers play out thousands of times, so don't bother arguing them. As for the worth of dragracing, for Joe hobbiest you need to be part engineer, part mechanic, part machinist, driver, if you want to race more on brains than$$$. $$$ won't drive for you though. Lastly, if you have ever been going 150 mph and being chased by a dragster doing 200 mph in a handicap race, trying to judge where the finish line is and only beat that dragster by a couple of feet, well, you have missed a lot of fun and excitement! I have had that! I have also had to drive out of a slide at 150 mph because an oil filter exploded and oiled the left rear slick. Exciting! Dirty underwater and all!
Now tell me again about the boring sport of drag racing. Oh, just brag a little. That car in my avatar was entirely built by me, motor trans rear , wiring, except for paint and interior tin. Full 14 point cage, on a 2x3 tube frame, rack and pinion steering system designed and built by me. I consider myself somewhat talented, but can't hold a candle to REALLY talented racers!

 

[gixxersixxerman]

You don’t bracket race do you?
Double zero light=.009, .008, etc.
High single zero light=.099, .089 etc.
Low single zero light=.010, .020 etc.
Triple zero light=perfect. I.E. pure luck.
Top fuel uses a pro tree. Gamblers night Bracket racing uses a standardized 3 bulb tree. It’s Much easier to cut a good light. When you have time to react to it. That’s why it’s easier to cut a good/consistent light on a standard tree In a no electronics gamblers race! Top fuel professionals=pro tree=hard. Weekend warriors=standard tree=easier. This is why I’m not racing against John force. Moving on.
If your cutting a high single zero light on any gamblers race. You can expect to go out in the first round. You can finish in the money. By Cutting low single zero lights all night. Maybe even win the night with some luck. If you want to Finish number one for the night on most nights. You better have at least one. Maybe two double zero light reaction times. To finish first. You win money if you place in the top 4 to 8 places. depending on how many racers show up on a given night. I recommend trying it. Or at the very least. Go watch a gamblers race. And watch how many racers. That do it every week. Have consistent,very low reaction times.

I havent "bracket raced" since early 2000's like 01 maybe, last few times i went to the strip here in Vegas the open nights were all off the pro tree. I stopped caring about drag racing first time i went to a track day, i got into motorcycle racing with the CMRA and just carried over. i may take my car to the drag strip one day, but i already know about what it will do so ive never really had a want or desire. i know different people are into different things, i prefer a course like Streets of Willow, Laguna, Willow Springs and such over a 1/4 mile race. Also think i like roll racing more, but never really do it. Its a waste for me to go to a track right now with out a proper tire. itll just spin. I go to the races after watching top fuel cars and anything slower then 4-5 seconds is boring to watch for me.

 

[Rjames18]

So many uneducated people!! You can tell who has never participated in drag racing, or even learned anything about it based on their moronic and inaccurate statements.
First off, anyone that doesn't think reaction time doesn't matter in a roll race doesn't understand basic math. If you are an imperceptible one tenth of a second ahead of the other guy when the race starts, you will be ahead at the end by a large margin. Take the final mph, let's say 120 mph. Subtract the starting speed, 60 mph. The difference is 60 mph, right? Or 88 feet per second OR 8.8 FEET FOR THAT ONE TENTH OF A SECOND! A closer race then? How about 1/100 of a second? That is .88 feet, or 10.8 inches for ONE ONE HUNDRETH OF A SECOND! SO TAKE A NAP IF YOU WANT TO! I will kick your butt every time. I have seen these numbers play out thousands of times, so don't bother arguing them. As for the worth of dragracing, for Joe hobbiest you need to be part engineer, part mechanic, part machinist, driver, if you want to race more on brains than$$$. $$$ won't drive for you though. Lastly, if you have ever been going 150 mph and being chased by a dragster doing 200 mph in a handicap race, trying to judge where the finish line is and only beat that dragster by a couple of feet, well, you have missed a lot of fun and excitement! I have had that! I have also had to drive out of a slide at 150 mph because an oil filter exploded and oiled the left rear slick. Exciting! Dirty underwater and all!
Now tell me again about the boring sport of drag racing. Oh, just brag a little. That car in my avatar was entirely built by me, motor trans rear , wiring, except for paint and interior tin. Full 14 point cage, on a 2x3 tube frame, rack and pinion steering system designed and built by me. I consider myself somewhat talented, but can't hold a candle to REALLY talented racers!

Wouldn't that math only apply if the acceleration was linear? Which it's not. As a talented drag racer as yourself figured you would know this.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

This thread is about ROLL RACING, not drag racing, yet all your post are about drag racing..

Not sure why you can't help yourself, or how Your reaction time matter to anyone at all, ever... unless you are being sponsored, or getting paid.

Well as usual. You’re wrong. The title of the thread is DRAG vs roll racing. Since that’s the case. People are offering a prospective on which they prefer and why. And explaining the nuances of their preferred activity. Now like I said before. Since you have nothing to offer. Let the big boys talk. And you can go back to sucking on your crack pipe.

 

[Dark Pony]

I'm not insulted. You asked a question. I answered it. We can still be friends. I drag raced a front wheel drive, stick shift SRT-4 in the past. I know all about doing things the hard way,

That's the point I was making. Someone who posted before me stated something to the effect of "Drag racing tests the driver, roll racing tests the car" or something similar. I didn't quote them, but that is what I had in mind when I wrote what I wrote. When most enthusiast people were buying manuals, I would say that statement rings more true. Driver mod was more of a thing. Using a manual was the "hard way" that needed to be learned and worked on. Now that the autos are faster and more people are picking them up, I don't think the "driver mod" is as much of a thing to be tested, when the car is doing 90 percent of the work for you. I don't think drag racing is easy in and of itself, driving the car is just an aspect of it and there is a lot more that goes into it, but more of the driving part had been left to the computer.

As for me and what do I prefer, either one. I don't really drag race these days, but it was fun when I used to do it. I've gotten in many more roll races then I had drag passes though. Just easier. If I went to the strip, I was happy if I got 4 runs in from 6-7pm to 11pm. I also found it more fun for me to drag race a sportbike than a car.

These days my only races pretty much are ones I find to or from my boring job.

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