My GT350R will likely be my last Ford car.

[JAJ]

Yep, light weight glass, LSD, torque vectoring, Carrera S wheels, PASM, shorter final drive, shorter stick, front splitter, sport exhaust, standard sport chrono w/ out the clock, much of the sound deadening removed, GT sport steering wheel... not to mention options you cant get on a base 911 i.e rear wheel steering, light weight carbon fiber buckets etc. Sorry you cant see the charm in the Carrera T....:lol:

I get all that, but the DIN standard weight difference - the thing that Porsche hammers hard in the marketing material - is still only 15kg and the power difference is zero. Now, if Powerkit, which is an available option for the S, was an option for the T, then I could get excited about it.

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[MrCincinnati]

Didn’t realize rear wheel steer was an option for the T. That’s interesting.

 

[mustang1]

... Thin and flawed paint ,

Someone should take a paint gauge over to the local Porsche dealership and give one of the 911's a going over to get to the bottom of this.

 

[DrumReaper]

Someone should take a paint gauge over to the local Porsche dealership and give one of the 911's a going over to get to the bottom of this.

I would assume since Audi and Porsche are under the same umbrella this may hold true for both, but he Audi salesman told me that the A4 I was looking st in their showroom had 27 layers of paint. Hard to believe... that’s a lotta paint.

 

[Bossing]

What color or top 3 colors are you thinking of [MENTION=15817]DrumReaper[/MENTION] ?

And this thread needs some eye candy....

My Graphite Blue 991.2 GT3 in nearby Las Olas Isles... beautiful homes btw. And then a Jim Morrison cameo... lol. As you can see lighting plays a role in the chameleon effect of GBM. I really enjoy driving the GT3... have over 4k miles on it already and even took it on a road trip to PEC ATL and Road Atlanta back in late April. If you get a 911 someday, you'll see how amazing these P cars are...

Oh below is also a pic of a GT Silver 911 Carrera T recently sold at a dealership near me.

 

[Minn19]

Agreed [MENTION=6571]Bossing[/MENTION]! Here were a couple of lightly used GT3/GT4 I saw at a local P dealer a few weeks ago.

 

[Kurac]

German cars are not immune to build quality issues, in general they can't withstand a MN winter like US built cars do, most rust well before a US built car does. Also dealing with MN winters, their suspension components (bushings, ball joints, CV joints, etc.) don't hold up as well either.

BMW issues: coolant leak from the water pump on 7 series, coolant leak E46 3 series caused by bad expansion tank, failure of oil cooler gaskets on 6 cylinders ends up with oil in the coolant, oil leak from the alternator bracket on the 4.4 V8, various electronic issues, VANOS issues on the E46 M3, PCV issues across the board, window regulator failures

M-B: crankshaft position sensor failures on different engines, transmission seal failures where the electrical plug connects into the transmission, EIS module failures, air suspension failures on the S class, rust issues (ever seen an NB Sprinter that's been on the MN roads for a few years in the winter?), failure of the oil filled engine mounts, window regulator failures,

Porsche: rear main seals, front O2 sensor failures on the flat six, pressure accumulator failures on the 911 manual trans cars, trans valve body failures on the Cayenne, one or both fuel pumps failing on the Cayenne, intermediate shaft bearing failures, cylinder liner cracks, chain tensioner failures,

Audi: valve cover and tensioner gasket failures, coolant reservoir cracks, excessive oil use, timing belt replacements, timing chain replacement on some models requires engine to be pulled

All the german cars seem to have issues with window regulators and switches, not sure if they buy there parts for the same place.

I'm sure we can come up with a list for US cars and Asian cars too, but they generally cost less for the same repairs than the German cars do.

Don't get me wrong, there are many German cars I love, just not willing to put up with the expense of ownership, both the acquisition cost as well as the maintenance costs.

Have you ever even owned a German car?
My 167K mile Audi A4 looks like a 30K mile car. I live in the snow belt and I bought it new. It has ZERO rust and the undercarriage looks impressive for 167K miles. I noted from your other posts that you are a GM fanboi. Let me tell my FIRST HAND experience with GM cars....my daily driver 4th gen Camaro Z28 needed a new transmission at 120K miles (car was stock) my LS2 GTO dropped a valve at 120K miles (car was stock). GM refused to acknowledge an issue and fix with the dropped valves on the LS7 (I had a C6Z). My C4’s fit and finish was worse than a kit car. All my GM cars rattled and squeaked once they hit 30K miles. My Audi?...no squeaks and rattles at nearly 200K miles.

 

[stanglife]

I believe that for those who have chosen to sell, that the two reasons I've stated are likely some of the main ones for doing so. I never touted that I speak for everyone, nor am an authority figure on the GT350. The reasons I've stated are common knowledge and/or opinions of many who have spent time with the car and have researched it. Certainly my reasons for selling are those that you've read and heard about many times?

I believe that you believe it but it’s baseless. Just because you or I have knowledge of some issues that bother us doesn’t mean anything. Hell, I’m well aware of issues and potential issues and I’m looking into selling mine but it has nothing to do with those issues but somehow you know different? Normal sports car sales due to various reasons... I have a two year bug, for example.

 

[stanglife]

What color or top 3 colors are you thinking of [MENTION=15817]DrumReaper[/MENTION] ?

And this thread needs some eye candy....

My Graphite Blue 991.2 GT3 in nearby Las Olas Isles... beautiful homes btw. And then a Jim Morrison cameo... lol. As you can see lighting plays a role in the chameleon effect of GBM. I really enjoy driving the GT3... have over 4k miles on it already and even took it on a road trip to PEC ATL and Road Atlanta back in late April. If you get a 911 someday, you'll see how amazing these P cars are...

Oh below is also a pic of a GT Silver 911 Carrera T recently sold at a dealership near me.

Omg that GB - sinister! If I can pick up my 964 project, that might be an option!

 

[stanglife]

You're assuming that everyone feels like you do and you just don't know. Every performance car out there is for sale used right now - in similar numbers to a GT350. I'm not saying that there are no concerns but not everyone feels like you do, thinks the problems are as glaring as you do or even cares. People sell cars for a lot of reasons - not just the reasons YOU think they do.

 

[stanglife]

PS - no beef either but I think your logic is way flawed here.

 

[key01]

You guys looking for GT3’s or Turbos May want to check out FerrariChat under “other cars” for sale. Rob Lay has his 2015 GT3 up there with warranty and there is a nice Turbo listed as well. Cars on that site don’t always get listed in other places. I am not affiliated with anyone or anything regarding that site. This is simply a PSA.

 

[key01]

Lots of Porsche GT owners take delivery, drive em for a few months or even less, then flip them for substantial gains. I have an acquaintance that briefly owned a 2016 GT3 RS and 2016 GT4 and flipped both for enough profit that between the two almost paid for a new Mercedes GT R.

He also owns a 2014 918. He goes through cars faster than I go through underwear.

This acquaintance doesn’t happen to own a large sandwich franchise business by any chance? I have a client with the same MO.

 

[PP0001]

After watching ~5 days of posts I would like to provide some feedback based on having owned 4 new generation GT350/R's (still own 3 of them) and was a custodian of two 2015 GT350's for the better part of a year with their combined mileage being ~25,000 miles. I can honestly say that I was very impressed with the body panel fit and gaps along with no suggestion of bumper sag or popping when these two early Tech Pack cars left my home.

Based on putting on ~2000 miles on all of the above 6 cars I have not experienced any of the 8 areas of concern that were listed except for item #5 which of course whereby we all experience some level of paint chips or road rash of some degree based on what part of the country that we live on and/or whether we track or drive on busy highways and roads. If your car has a PPF then of course that is probably a different story.

Having previously owned a number of M3's and M coupes I can tell you first hand that all of these cars were subject to paint chips and road rash as well and no one can tell me that as beautiful of a paint job that Porsche provides on their outstanding cars that they will be any different.

I had a recent conversation with a friend of mine who owns a very early 2016 GT350R (+14,000 miles and 7 track sessions) and during our conversation he mentioned that an acquaintance of his has a GT4, GT3, GT3RS and a GT2 with everyone of those cars having road rash and paint issues except for the GT2 based on having very few miles on it. Obviously this owner has some legitimate concerns and no different than we do but I don't care if our cars come from Germany, Japan, Italy or the U.S. the factory paint/process is subject to paint chips and road rash and has been for a number of years now.

With respect to the new generation Boss 302 cars being far superior in build quality to the GT350/R's again that has not been my experience based on having owned 8 Boss 302's over the last 7 1/2 years and having driven them ~15,000 miles over that time period.

I am not here to suggest that Ford does not have engine issues and/or quality build issues on some GT350/R's and certainly respect all of the posts from every member here but I have to say that my experience has been quite positive so far for not only the Shelby's in question but also for the Boss cars.

Obviously our GT350/R's are massed produced HP vehicles are not perfect builds but I am certainly very thankful that Ford went out on a limb and produced a HP Mustang that is powered by a FPC engine and in the case of the R model providing a 2 seat Mustang that comes with CF wheels and a CF rear spoiler and all for ~$67,000.

In spite of some noted short comings these cars are possibly the best bang for the buck out there in my humble opinion.

:cheers:

 

[Tomster]

^^^ I couldnt agree more.

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