2019 GT350 Upgrades: Tech, Aerodynamics and Other GT500 Track Improvements

[Zitrosounds]

RIGHT!!!!!!

I for one am most excited about the billet OPG!!! Ok, not officially announced, but you will see...

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

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[rb92gt]

If this was announced or ever revealed to be true you can bet your ass that a class-action lawsuit will go after Ford like flies on shit. Would LOVE for it to be so, and they they announce a TSB for 2015-18's to have their's replaced.... may as well whistle dixie out my ass cause that's never going to happen :lol:

Like the class action lawsuit for the cars lacking factory coolers? lol.

 

[17RubyShelbyGT350]

On Target

If this was announced or ever revealed to be true you can bet your ass that a class-action lawsuit will go after Ford like flies on shit. Would LOVE for it to be so, and they they announce a TSB for 2015-18's to have their's replaced.... may as well whistle dixie out my ass cause that's never going to happen :lol:

Bingo. The one real set of mods/improvements that would interest me would be changes to the motor to address any weaknesses in either its assembly or components. And that ain't never gonna happen.....

 

[rb92gt]

Bingo. The one real set of mods/improvements that would interest me would be changes to the motor to address any weaknesses in either its assembly or components. And that ain't never gonna happen.....

But.... it would get me to buy another one, that is the only thing that would be worth trading up for, especially before my motor warranty is up. When I saw this article, that is the first thing I scanned the entire document quickly for, read it as blah blah blah, yippee... nothing.

 

[J_Maher_AMG]

Like the class action lawsuit for the cars lacking factory coolers? lol.

Completely different scenario. One is an opinion based lawsuit based on claims of street cars and their track capabilities/model offerings, whereas this would be an actual admission of design fault. We are seeing cars that are street driven with blown engines, at a fairly common rate of occurrence. Two completely different issues, and not hard to discern the differences between them.

EDIT: If it were the case, this CAL would have FAR more weight behind it and actual relevance than the previous. I mean hell, if engines are popping when being driven normally on the street, and MY19 brings changes and all of a sudden no more popping... that is pretty good ground to stand on from a legal point of view IMO!!

I for one am hoping its just bad luck or tolerances out of spec with the cars that are having issues now. I'd like to keep my original block and once warranty is up I'll install the billet steel pump housing and gear on my own for peace of mind.

 

[Epiphany]

If this was announced or ever revealed to be true you can bet your ass that a class-action lawsuit will go after Ford like flies on shit. Would LOVE for it to be so, and they they announce a TSB for 2015-18's to have their's replaced.

What makes you so certain that 5.2L engines failures rooted in either a defective gear or potentially flawed engineering fall outside any statistically accepted window at Ford?

 

[17RubyShelbyGT350]

GM?

Completely different scenario. One is an opinion based lawsuit based on claims of street cars and their track capabilities/model offerings, whereas this would be an actual admission of design fault. We are seeing cars that are street driven with blown engines, at a fairly common rate of occurrence. Two completely different issues, and not hard to discern the differences between them.

EDIT: If it were the case, this CAL would have FAR more weight behind it and actual relevance than the previous. I mean hell, if engines are popping when being driven normally on the street, and MY19 brings changes and all of a sudden no more popping... that is pretty good ground to stand on from a legal point of view IMO!!

I for one am hoping its just bad luck or tolerances out of spec with the cars that are having issues now. I'd like to keep my original block and once warranty is up I'll install the billet steel pump housing and gear on my own for peace of mind.

If you were referring to the LT4/Z06 law suits, they are still very much alive. This is my first (maybe only Ford) after having owned 9 Vettes, 3 of them Z06's and 2 ZR1s. So, I still have a lot of friends in that world. I was never interested in the C7 Z06 from day 1, after I saw the way it was being supercharged. NEVER had any problems with my 2010 supercharged ZR1, partially because the supercharger was correctly sized for the application.

And GM learned their lesson about cooling priorities as evidenced by the number of coolers on the ZL1 and the totally redesigned supercharger, aero and cooling on the '19 ZR1. Meanwhile, a lot of my friends spent over $100k to get a car which goes into limp mode after 3 laps. GM exacerbated the problem in '17 when they promised (and did not deliver timely) a "fix" for buyers of the '17s and a retrofit to earlier cars.

GM & Ford - 2 sides of the same coin...

 

[J_Maher_AMG]

What makes you so certain that 5.2L engines failures rooted in either a defective gear or potentially flawed engineering fall outside any statistically accepted window at Ford?

I make no claims good sir. However, logic would dictate that if these failures, assuming that the majority are due to a defective gear or engineering flaw, fall within the statistically accepted norm for Ford, that they would not go through the expense of the verification and processing and all the other aspects that come with introducing a new part.

Therefore, if a part is changed, which subsequently sees a generally reduced number of failures, it can be concluded that logically there was indeed an engineering flaw or failure rate higher than their accepted window allowed for.

We all know that nothing is done that doesn't make financial sense when it comes to these big corporations. If something is changed, it isn't because the engineers finally won the case and got the part they wanted in to begin with. As much as you and I and everyone else would gladly pay the extra $$ to have the better part from the factory, it doesn't get changed unless the bean counters say it has to.

 

[rb92gt]

I apologize

Sorry to derail the thread...

 

[J_Maher_AMG]

If you were referring to the LT4/Z06 law suits, they are still very much alive. This is my first (maybe only Ford) after having owned 9 Vettes, 3 of them Z06's and 2 ZR1s. So, I still have a lot of friends in that world. I was never interested in the C7 Z06 from day 1, after I saw the way it was being supercharged. NEVER had any problems with my 2010 supercharged ZR1, partially because the supercharger was correctly sized for the application.

And GM learned their lesson about cooling priorities as evidenced by the number of coolers on the ZL1 and the totally redesigned supercharger, aero and cooling on the '19 ZR1. Meanwhile, a lot of my friends spent over $100k to get a car which goes into limp mode after 3 laps. GM exacerbated the problem in '17 when they promised (and did not deliver timely) a "fix" for buyers of the '17s and a retrofit to earlier cars.

GM & Ford - 2 sides of the same coin...

I was actually referring to the GT350 lawsuit already under way which I believe has basically gone no where. Though the GM/Z06 issues are fairly similar, they didn't have a specific model called the "Track Pack"

In addition, they never had an option to purchase a Z06 in ANY trim that could actually perform as intended, which gives their CAL more credit than the current GT350 lawsuit. No matter which one you bought, they all overheated, which is definitely a bummer.

 

[rb92gt]

All about the $$$

Another thought, for those of you excited you held off on a 2015-2018 GT350, you may be in for a bit of a sticker price shock. This is all about $$$ to Ford, and you can bet the MSRP will be more. Might actually be a great time to pick up a 2018...

 

[17RubyShelbyGT350]

What makes you so certain that 5.2L engines failures rooted in either a defective gear or potentially flawed engineering fall outside any statistically accepted window at Ford?

The old saying is: Its a recession if your neighbor loses his job, a depression when you lose your job."

I don't give a damn about what is "statistically accepted" at Ford. Actually, I don't even know what that means? :doh: If my engine pops, after doing diligent break-in, checking the oil about 500% more often than in any car I have ever owned, observing all warm-up procedures before running higher RPMs, it will be a recession in my house.

I AM interested if these failures are statistically significant which, if they are, has actual real world meaning. These is another post in which I discuss what is meant by statistical significance and the stepwise approach to how it could be determined.

If the latest report of suspected engine problems turns out to be another blown engine (and I hope not!) that will make my count up to 20, out of 303 members here (6.6%). Draw your own conclusions...

 

[Demonic]

Can we keep the engine posts in the appropriate thread guys?

 

[PP0001]

Completely different scenario. One is an opinion based lawsuit based on claims of street cars and their track capabilities/model offerings, whereas this would be an actual admission of design fault. We are seeing cars that are street driven with blown engines, at a fairly common rate of occurrence. Two completely different issues, and not hard to discern the differences between them.




I guess maybe I have missed something here but had no idea that these FPC engines were blowing up at a fairly common rate of occurrence.

That being the case I sure hope that Ford reads these posts and resolves the issue for the many GT350/R owners that have had blown engines with only street miles on them?

 

[J_Maher_AMG]

Completely different scenario. One is an opinion based lawsuit based on claims of street cars and their track capabilities/model offerings, whereas this would be an actual admission of design fault. We are seeing cars that are street driven with blown engines, at a fairly common rate of occurrence. Two completely different issues, and not hard to discern the differences between them.




I guess maybe I have missed something here but had no idea that these FPC engines were blowing up at a fairly common rate of occurrence.

That being the case I sure hope that Ford reads these posts and resolves the issue for the many GT350/R owners that have had blown engines with only street miles on them?

Demonic is right in saying we should stick to the Blown Engine thread, but my last post regarding this topic here, is that a simple data collection of the members on here versus the number of verified failures is nearing 7%, with the majority of those happening on the street. That is absolutely grounds IMO to claim it as a common rate of occurrence.

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