Anyone driven a ZL1?

[howlins550]

Hey guys, just drove the new ZL1 today, wow its an awesome car. The A10 in that thing was great, from my understanding its the same a10 in the new mustangs with a couple changes? Just curious if anyone with the auto has driven both, is the mustang auto as good/ responsive?

Also, how do we think the PP2 would handle compared to the ZL1? Obviously the HP/TQ is different but a whipple or twins would change that.

Just wanted to see if anyone has a good comparison on both cars.

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[azelmo]

Hey guys, just drove the new ZL1 today, wow its an awesome car. The A10 in that thing was great, from my understanding its the same a10 in the new mustangs with a couple changes? Just curious if anyone with the auto has driven both, is the mustang auto as good/ responsive?

Also, how do we think the PP2 would handle compared to the ZL1? Obviously the HP/TQ is different but a whipple or twins would change that.

Just wanted to see if anyone has a good comparison on both cars.

I'll have a comparison in the coming months. My brother has an 18 ZL1-1LE with track package and I got a PP2 coming in May. My buddy's got an 18 911 Turbo S too. We go racing a lot. Here's a photo.

 

[howlins550]

I'll have a comparison in the coming months. My brother has an 18 ZL1-1LE with track package and I got a PP2 coming in May. My buddy's got an 18 911 Turbo S too. We go racing a lot. Here's a photo.

Awesome man, love that the mustang and camaro are such performance bargains. Seeing some lightly used ZL1's for around the same price as what a PP2 would run new. I dont think you can go wrong with either, still partial to my mustangs tho

 

[DanenGraham]

I think a much better and more realistic comparison is a PP2 vs a SS 1LE. And I'm pretty sure the SS is still going to be the better track toy. But the PP2 will be a huge improvement.

 

[howlins550]

I think a much better and more realistic comparison is a PP2 vs a SS 1LE. And I'm pretty sure the SS is still going to be the better track toy. But the PP2 will be a huge improvement.

Power wise yes I agree, however as far as track goes, the 1le beat the pp1 by just over a second I think? The PP2 beat the pp1 by 3.5 seconds so track wise I feel the PP2 is a gt350 with a 5.0

Personally, with the 18+ I feel there is such a small performance difference between the 350, i can't justify the cost difference when I could do bolt on or boost and beat both zl1 and shelby

 

[tyler2k]

Power wise yes I agree, however as far as track goes, the 1le beat the pp1 by just over a second I think? The PP2 beat the pp1 by 3.5 seconds so track wise I feel the PP2 is a gt350 with a 5.0

Personally, with the 18+ I feel there is such a small performance difference between the 350, i can't justify the cost difference when I could do bolt on or boost and beat both zl1 and shelby

the 1le beat the pp1 by over 3 seconds on a smaller track then the pp2 beat the pp1 on

 

[Kurac]

I found the best advertised prices on new ZL1’s on Autotrader for mid $50K’s. That’s a bargain for what you get.

 

[millhouse]

the 1le beat the pp1 by over 3 seconds on a smaller track then the pp2 beat the pp1 on

I'm curious what you're trying to infer with this comment.

Food for thought, the 2016 Viper ACR set the track record around Streets of Willow running a 1:21.24. It also set a track record around Grattan running a 1:22.09. Using track length to infer anything about the 1LE being quicker than the GTPP2 in this case is ignorant.

As for the GTPP2 vs the GTPP1, by Fords accounts it was 3.5 seconds quicker around Grattan.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-ca...g-gt-performance-package-level-2-info-photos/

Does that mean it will be quicker than the 1LE when motortrend runs at the Streets of Willow or Laguna? Not at all, but it points to these two cars being damn close.

 

[ALUSA]

I'm curious what you're trying to infer with this comment.

Food for thought, the 2016 Viper ACR set the track record around Streets of Willow running a 1:21.24. It also set a track record around Grattan running a 1:22.09. Using track length to infer anything about the 1LE being quicker than the GTPP2 in this case is ignorant.

As for the GTPP2 vs the GTPP1, by Fords accounts it was 3.5 seconds quicker around Grattan.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-ca...g-gt-performance-package-level-2-info-photos/

Does that mean it will be quicker than the 1LE when motortrend runs at the Streets of Willow or Laguna? Not at all, but it points to these two cars being damn close.

I think it will be really close to 1le ss. If Ford optioned out the pp2 with the Bullit goodies ( gt350 manifold, throttle body, and intake), it would have been amazing. This time mustang will have the tire advantage with 305 rubber on all 4 corners. Can’t wait for this comparison!

 

[millhouse]

I think it will be really close to 1le ss. If Ford optioned out the pp2 with the Bullit goodies ( gt350 manifold, throttle body, and intake), it would have been amazing. This time mustang will have the tire advantage with 305 rubber on all 4 corners. Can’t wait for this comparison!

Agreed. I don't care if it comes out slower...I won't be buying one either way. But the tire advantage the 1LE holds over the GTPP1 is ENORMOUS. Honestly, I'm more curious to see how much more planted the PP2 will be over the PP1 with the suspension tweaks without it having too harsh of a ride.

 

[tyler2k]

I'm curious what you're trying to infer with this comment.

Food for thought, the 2016 Viper ACR set the track record around Streets of Willow running a 1:21.24. It also set a track record around Grattan running a 1:22.09. Using track length to infer anything about the 1LE being quicker than the GTPP2 in this case is ignorant.

As for the GTPP2 vs the GTPP1, by Fords accounts it was 3.5 seconds quicker around Grattan.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-ca...g-gt-performance-package-level-2-info-photos/

Does that mean it will be quicker than the 1LE when motortrend runs at the Streets of Willow or Laguna? Not at all, but it points to these two cars being damn close.

exactly what i said, the post above me said the 1le beat the pp1 by only a second which is false then said the pp2 beat the pp1 by 3.5. so the 1le beat the pp1 on a smaller track by 3.3 seconds

 

[millhouse]

exactly what i said, the post above me said the 1le beat the pp1 by only a second which is false then said the pp2 beat the pp1 by 3.5. so the 1le beat the pp1 on a smaller track by 3.3 seconds

What does a smaller track have anything to do with the discussion? The two tracks in question post VERY similar lap times. Time here is the deciding factor, not length.

 

[tyler2k]

when the track is almost a 1/4 the size smaller im sure it would make a difference. even your viper times prove that, almost a second difference in that car shows track length will change the time. I'm sorry but If you think the viper going almost a second slower isn't gonna translate over to a pp2 going slower is crazy

 

[millhouse]

when the track is almost a 1/4 the size smaller im sure it would make a difference. even your viper times prove that, almost a second difference in that car shows track length will change the time. I'm sorry but If you think the viper going almost a second slower isn't gonna translate over to a pp2 going slower is crazy

You seem to be confusing overall track times with the delta. With Grattan and the Streets of Willow having VERY similar overall track times, it's fairly safe to infer that a 3.5 second delta at Grattan should translate to something very similar at the Streets of Willow. The length here doesn't matter as much as the time it takes to complete the laps. Is this a perfect inference? Absolutely not, but is much better than any type of assumption based solely on track length.

 

[tyler2k]

You seem to be confusing overall track times with the delta. With Grattan and the Streets of Willow having VERY similar overall track times, it's fairly safe to infer that a 3.5 second delta at Grattan should translate to something very similar at the Streets of Willow. The length here doesn't matter as much as the time it takes to complete the laps. Is this a perfect inference? Absolutely not, but is much better than any type of assumption based solely on track length.

an almost second difference in an all out track car I'm betting is going to translate to much more in a car that, in Ford's own words, is not a track car. are there any 18 pp1 track times for grattan

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