Whipple Versus Other Tunes

[pro 5.0]

Exactly. Not everything about our car is in this forum. You can do a poll everyday and when your oil pump gears fail don't come in here crying. I posted a very good read actually a link from L&M for him to read it seems he is not interested. You can lead a donkey to water but you cannot force him to drink it. And if Angry is tuned Ford will tell him the repair is on him.

LMAO I've heard the horse to water but not the donkey, as for warranty in my experience they always try to blame it on the end user. IE your rear tires are bald or your air filter is dirty etc, if the car has been tuned they can tell how many times the computer has been flashed and they will more than likely deny you. I know many have said that the modifications done must be directly related to the failure for the dealer to deny warranty, if the car is tuned and the OPG fails guess what the answer will be. So lets see roll the dice on a minimum 5 - 7 K repair or spend 1200.00 now and avoid the issue.:shrug:

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[Angry50]

LMAO I've heard the horse to water but not the donkey, as for warranty in my experience they always try to blame it on the end user. IE your rear tires are bald or your air filter is dirty etc, if the car has been tuned they can tell how many times the computer has been flashed and they will more than likely deny you. I know many have said that the modifications done must be directly related to the failure for the dealer to deny warranty, if the car is tuned and the OPG fails guess what the answer will be. So lets see roll the dice on a minimum 5 - 7 K repair or spend 1200.00 now and avoid the issue.:shrug:

once again im factory tuned. i have done warranty items in the past and had friends that have had warranty work done with out issue of tunes or anything. no engines but had friend with FBO and tune have his transmission replaced.

besides that your telling me because you have seen 1 or 2 actual failures for unknown reason then they must be a requirement? but when there are more people on this site alone running boosted with stock gears (according to poles) then there have been actual failures.

like i said sure if you got the money why not. if you have the money why not a full built race motor..

 

[Sawman70]

Doesn't really matter which power adder you choose, you can break the stock oil pump gears with any power adder.

Agreed.

I wanted Chris at Lethal to clarify "basically stock".

 

[pro 5.0]

once again im factory tuned. i have done warranty items in the past and had friends that have had warranty work done with out issue of tunes or anything. no engines but had friend with FBO and tune have his transmission replaced.

besides that your telling me because you have seen 1 or 2 actual failures for unknown reason then they must be a requirement? but when there are more people on this site alone running boosted with stock gears (according to poles) then there have been actual failures.

like i said sure if you got the money why not. if you have the money why not a full built race motor..

To me it doesn't matter that there was 1 or 2 actual failures for unknown reason as you claim, the fact that there was a failure at all should be enough to question the durability of the stock gears. IMO if you have the money to put a supercharger on your car you can afford to spend 1200.00 to do the OPG's which is a small price to pay considering the alternative. Good luck with building a race motor if you can't afford to shell out 1200.00 good luck spending 20K plus.

 

[Angry50]

To me it doesn't matter that there was 1 or 2 actual failures for unknown reason as you claim, the fact that there was a failure at all should be enough to question the durability of the stock gears. IMO if you have the money to put a supercharger on your car you can afford to spend 1200.00 to do the OPG's which is a small price to pay considering the alternative. Good luck with building a race motor if you can't afford to shell out 1200.00 good luck spending 20K plus.

so one person has a failed throttle body or a failed water pump we should all run out and replace it?

im not totally disagreeing. sure its a good idea to strengthen as much as you can. but i also wouldnt tell someone that if you dont replace those items you can boost your car

 

[TooSoonJunior]

so one person has a failed throttle body or a failed water pump we should all run out and replace it?

im not totally disagreeing. sure its a good idea to strengthen as much as you can. but i also wouldnt tell someone that if you dont replace those items you can boost your car

You're missing the point of cost benefit. spend 1200 to protect you from a 6k problem (motor blows). Your examples are spend $1-$200 for the chance that nothing happens, neither of those parts cause a catastrophic failure of the motor, oil gears will.

 

[Phoenix]

so one person has a failed throttle body or a failed water pump we should all run out and replace it?

im not totally disagreeing. sure its a good idea to strengthen as much as you can. but i also wouldnt tell someone that if you dont replace those items you can boost your car

cost benefit. if a water pump goes out you have a few minutes at least to shut the motor off before it becomes catastrophic. failed TB the car wont run.

failed oil pump gear? hot bearings and blammo...new rotating assembly.

failed timing gear?RIP the entire motor.

but i do get what you are saying.

 

[Angry50]

cost benefit. if a water pump goes out you have a few minutes at least to shut the motor off before it becomes catastrophic. failed TB the car wont run.

failed oil pump gear? hot bearings and blammo...new rotating assembly.

failed timing gear?RIP the entire motor.

but i do get what you are saying.

ok np ill message all the people running boost and no OPG tell them they all messed up and must remove it or install OPG.. im beginning my complaint letter to FORD and ROUSH to let them know they are selling time bombs

 

[pro 5.0]

so one person has a failed throttle body or a failed water pump we should all run out and replace it?

im not totally disagreeing. sure its a good idea to strengthen as much as you can. but i also wouldnt tell someone that if you dont replace those items you can boost your car

I would tell that person the same thing I am trying to tell you, DO THE OPG'S and have the piece of mind. I would also tell that person that if you are convinced that you don't need to upgrade the gears then don't cry when they break and you have to shell out 6K for a new motor plus labour if you can't do it yourself. Whatever you decide I hope your motor stays together for you.:cheers:

 

[Phil@JDM]

It also depends how you are driving the car. Heavy wheel spin and a lot of drive-train chatter can flex those gears and cause them to break even with low mileage on them.

 

[Phoenix]

ok np ill message all the people running boost and no OPG tell them they all messed up and must remove it or install OPG.. im beginning my complaint letter to FORD and ROUSH to let them know they are selling time bombs

cool. make sure to let them know you are being a dick about it. its hard to tell via the internet.:clap2:

ill say this to you like i told someone else. when your motor does blow, please post a thread here describing what happened so that we can track these issues.

 

[Angry50]

cool. make sure to let them know you are being a dick about it. its hard to tell via the internet.:clap2:

ill say this to you like i told someone else. when your motor does blow, please post a thread here describing what happened so that we can track these issues.

my motor is guaranteed to blow now sweet ill let yall know as im getting a free motor installed. yall are crazy

statistically speaking its fine. is there a chance? sure always, 100% stock there is a chance your car will break. there is a chance after you replace the OPG it will fail, but dont talk to me like its a sure thing when there are probably more boosted people on stock OPG than on upgraded. but continue telling me about this OPG issue that is plaguing the coyote community.

 

[TooSoonJunior]

my motor is guaranteed to blow now sweet ill let yall know as im getting a free motor installed. yall are crazy

statistically speaking its fine. is there a chance? sure always, 100% stock there is a chance your car will break. there is a chance after you replace the OPG it will fail, but dont talk to me like its a sure thing when there are probably more boosted people on stock OPG than on upgraded. but continue telling me about this OPG issue that is plaguing the coyote community.

You're still missing the point, no one is arguing the rarity of an oil pump failure, we are simply discussing the price one person to the next is willing to pay to make sure 99% the failure will not happen. You're not willing to pay anything, I am willing to pay $500 (I am doing it myself). Nothing more to debate, that's a personal decision.

 

[Angry50]

You're still missing the point, no one is arguing the rarity of an oil pump failure, we are simply discussing the price one person to the next is willing to pay to make sure 99% the failure will not happen. You're not willing to pay anything, I am willing to pay $500 (I am doing it myself). Nothing more to debate, that's a personal decision.

i never disputed doing this for peace of mind. like i said i plan on doing this when i go to turn my boost up for that reason.

my argument is people saying the motor will toast if dont do it if your go boost like its for sure.

 

[TooSoonJunior]

i never disputed doing this for peace of mind. like i said i plan on doing this when i go to turn my boost up for that reason.

my argument is people saying the motor will toast if dont do it if your go boost like its for sure.

Not to be a D here but you're arguing with yourself. No one is here saying youre wrong, we all agree, its a rarity, def over done as far as rumor mill goes. But I don't care, I am new to these cars, I love getting my hands dirty, and enjoy learning about the car. Cant think of a better way than tearing the front half of the motor off

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