Underseal at Zeebrugge.

[hinch]

just looks like normal grey primer to me like you get out of a rattle can not anything thicker than usual. infact in a couple of area's its so thin you can see the shiney metal through it. can see it quite clearly here [ame]

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[v8hgt]

If you look for post #957 from this thread (post number is on top right of each post) you will see the photos taken by ford and sent to warranty.

You sound like you know what your talking about so will be good to get your opinion.

Why did they just underseal the exhaust?

because they had to do something to claim the manufacturing was finished in the EU to avoid high import duty. They could have quite easily sent it over without the boot lid fitted then bolt that on in Belgium. However there appears to already be a mini industry at these ports that specialise in underseal, probably because its very quick to do.. i.e. drive over a pit with a spray machine in there.

 

[Manders Mustang]

because they had to do something to claim the manufacturing was finished in the EU to avoid high import duty. They could have quite easily sent it over without the boot lid fitted then bolt that on in Belgium. However there appears to already be a mini industry at these ports that specialise in underseal, probably because its very quick to do.. i.e. drive over a pit with a spray machine in there.

^ this.

 

[Gloucesternige]

so according to ford this is acceptable. im actually pleased with the photos the dealer took. they are all pointing at areas with no underseal (which isnt hard) which just goes to show they can see something isnt right.

Having a good look over these pics doesn't bother me in the slightest. In fact, on my car i will more than likely remove whatever underseal is on there. I would imagine they have aimed for the propshaft and rear diff as for some reason Ford don't paint these at all?

I have some panels cut out of my race car at home, which are painted with the same "primer" as everyone is calling it here. I'll leave them out in the rain and show you all what I mean.

I'll leave some untouched, rub some with a wire brush and rub some with emery so you can see what happens. The very fact that someone is describing seeing shiny metal through the primer describes to me that the shell is hot zinc dipped before any paint is applied whatsoever. At least that's how it sounds to me?

 

[slowhand99]

just looks like normal grey primer to me like you get out of a rattle can not anything thicker than usual. infact in a couple of area's its so thin you can see the shiney metal through it. can see it quite clearly here

Interesting approach to fitting the G-trac spacer. You can feed the spacer through the larger hole (that's what the little handle is for) along to the smaller hole. Expanding the hole so the spacer fits through it defeats the purpose of the spacer. Guess you worked that out afterwards. I hope your trolley jack never gives out.

 

[Manders Mustang]

Having a good look over these pics doesn't bother me in the slightest. In fact, on my car i will more than likely remove whatever underseal is on there. I would imagine they have aimed for the propshaft and rear diff as for some reason Ford don't paint these at all?

I have some panels cut out of my race car at home, which are painted with the same "primer" as everyone is calling it here. I'll leave them out in the rain and show you all what I mean.

I'll leave some untouched, rub some with a wire brush and rub some with emery so you can see what happens. The very fact that someone is describing seeing shiny metal through the primer describes to me that the shell is hot zinc dipped before any paint is applied whatsoever. At least that's how it sounds to me?

Eff knows, would have been happy for you to do it on mine, but, have had it undersealed by ford.... They said the body was 'anti rust' yet, if it was Anti rust, why the heck would they spend money and time undersealing it? :lol:

 

[Jimboy2]

I guess for the reasons you quoted "this" above

 

[slowhand99]

Eff knows, would have been happy for you to do it on mine, but, have had it undersealed by ford.... They said the body was 'anti rust' yet, if it was Anti rust, why the heck would they spend money and time undersealing it? :lol:

They didn't. Isn't that the point.

 

[hinch]

Interesting approach to fitting the G-trac spacer. You can feed the spacer through the larger hole (that's what the little handle is for) along to the smaller hole. Expanding the hole so the spacer fits through it defeats the purpose of the spacer. Guess you worked that out afterwards. I hope your trolley jack never gives out.

it was up on axle stands too ... well for some of it anyway

 

[v8hgt]

I've booked mine in for the full Dinitrol treatment early next month. They steam clean before drying and applying multiple products to wax and protect. They also cavity wax with a thinner product. It's a 3 day process but it should protect it for life and it's guaranteed. I've asked them to photograph before and after in detail and I will be sending Ford the bill for a giggle. I also plan to send the evidence to HMRC as it appears the are committing tax evasion.

 

[Mustang50]

I had my dealer take photos of the underneath but Ford said it was fine.......
I can't understand why cars going to Canada appear to get a thorough treatment while we get a bit of black stuff sprayed randomly (in Zeebrugge) on bits of metal including the silencer and what looked like laquer over most of the metal. I've undersealed all my previous cars myself with care (Waxoyl) but you can get to an age where getting covered in oily crap is just not worth it.
I got a specialist rustproofer to look at it and, a few weeks later, they did a thorough wash and dry followed by a careful, total underseal including suspension, inner doors, all box sections (not many holes to drill), and even areas such as the inside of the hood and trunk lid.
I have a guarantee and confidence that my new(ish) 2016 Stang won't suffer the fate of my 1967 version which didn't cope well with salt on UK roads in the 1970s.
I think it is worth adding £4-500 for undersealing to the pretty reasonable cost of a UK Mustang. I must say that I am really disappointed in Ford that they make so much of the car and its mechanics (quite rightly) but don't give any time or effort to the bits you don't see (and try to convince you it is all 'fine'........)

 

[v8hgt]

I had my dealer take photos of the underneath but Ford said it was fine.......
I can't understand why cars going to Canada appear to get a thorough treatment while we get a bit of black stuff sprayed randomly (in Zeebrugge) on bits of metal including the silencer and what looked like laquer over most of the metal. I've undersealed all my previous cars myself with care (Waxoyl) but you can get to an age where getting covered in oily crap is just not worth it.
I got a specialist rustproofer to look at it and, a few weeks later, they did a thorough wash and dry followed by a careful, total underseal including suspension, inner doors, all box sections (not many holes to drill), and even areas such as the inside of the hood and trunk lid.
I have a guarantee and confidence that my new(ish) 2016 Stang won't suffer the fate of my 1967 version which didn't cope well with salt on UK roads in the 1970s.
I think it is worth adding £4-500 for undersealing to the pretty reasonable cost of a UK Mustang. I must say that I am really disappointed in Ford that they make so much of the car and its mechanics (quite rightly) but don't give any time or effort to the bits you don't see (and try to convince you it is all 'fine'........)

I agree entirely with everything you said. The car is built down to a price and I can understand that. I would happily pay £500 more list price to have this properly done at the factory or as a uk dealer optional extra. Failing that I just wish ford uk would admit this is lacking in the base car and not bother to make such a mess of the paint in Belgium

 

[goldengooner]

I had my dealer take photos of the underneath but Ford said it was fine.......
I can't understand why cars going to Canada appear to get a thorough treatment while we get a bit of black stuff sprayed randomly (in Zeebrugge) on bits of metal including the silencer and what looked like laquer over most of the metal. I've undersealed all my previous cars myself with care (Waxoyl) but you can get to an age where getting covered in oily crap is just not worth it.
I got a specialist rustproofer to look at it and, a few weeks later, they did a thorough wash and dry followed by a careful, total underseal including suspension, inner doors, all box sections (not many holes to drill), and even areas such as the inside of the hood and trunk lid.
I have a guarantee and confidence that my new(ish) 2016 Stang won't suffer the fate of my 1967 version which didn't cope well with salt on UK roads in the 1970s.
I think it is worth adding £4-500 for undersealing to the pretty reasonable cost of a UK Mustang. I must say that I am really disappointed in Ford that they make so much of the car and its mechanics (quite rightly) but don't give any time or effort to the bits you don't see (and try to convince you it is all 'fine'........)

Why do you think Canadian cars have underseal? they don't, mine had NO underseal. US cars have NO underseal.
Ford have no legal blinding contract to do it, there is zero in writing that says they will do it.
Where Ford screwed up big-time, is they done it as a freebie, a favour. But now as they done a bit, which was a total joke, they made themselves a pile of dodo.
If they had done no Underseal, nobody could have said a word
Some people going legal, and some who have been lucky have got theirs done. One person even got Ford to get his done at Modurstang with the best stuff around.
And I went to Modurstang and got mine done, but just for your info. My S197 had NO Underseal and was spotless after 9 years
But as this was a new car, make sense to go to the best and get it done.
If you want to get Ford to do your underseal. the way is to attack them on the basis they have damaged the undernearth and the smell from the exhaust and the money it will cost to take the Ford crap off and put on some decent stuff.
The bloke who went to Modurstang it cost Ford a lot of dosh, as Mike had to get the Ford crap off, before he could apply the Raptor

The only thing the Canadians get, and that is only the California Specials, is a free £300 designer cover for the CS, looks great, but to much hassle to use

 

[Mustang50]

Larry, I read a post on a site (possibly this one?) some time ago contrasting the difference between Mustangs for the US and Canadian markets and describing the good quality underseal thet was ready to deal with a Canadian winter. If that is misinformation, so be it. Thanks for the correction.
I am well aware that there is no underbody protection in the US. That is why my first Mustang (that I imported into UK) rusted away underneath in a decade. Also why good, older Mustangs tend to come from States like California (or Australia).
I also read posts from disgruntled buyers in UK who had serious hassle with Ford UK's reluctant attempts to make good the underseal on their vehicles. Decided to take the line of least resistance and get it done properly independently.
I agree with the previous poster who would have been willing to pay more for a new car with proper underbody treatment.

 

[Gloucesternige]

I am well aware that there is no underbody protection in the US. That is why my first Mustang (that I imported into UK) rusted away underneath in a decade. Also why good, older Mustangs tend to come from States like California (or Australia).

I'm sorry to argue here, but you'll find the reason the old cars rusted so badly here and wherever salt is used, or conditions were damp was because they were bare steel under a thin layer of paint and primer with no zinc or galvanising treatments. All of the internal skins and box sections remained untreated.

Even as recently as the late 80's a few cars I can think of suffered with rotting A pillars, from the inside!! The Mitsubishi Lancer was one of them. Which leads me on to another point.. usually, those older cars rusted from the inside out, the underseal sometimes formed a seal allowing moisture to creep along between it and the steel which had nothing more than a thin layer of paint and maybe red oxide or the like?

These days cars are dipped so are totally coated inside and out in anti corrosive coatings. The designers are now able to use thinner, heat treated steels in the body shell to achieve the same strength but lighter than days of old. I used to make a fortune welding up old Escorts and Sierras, I can't remember the last time I heard of anyone failing an MOT on rust, even cars up to 10 years old.

In my opinion, undersealing a Mustang, or any modern unibody car for that matter, is just giving your mechanic a nightmare every time he needs to work on your cars underbelly. Thats coming from a guy who did exactly this on his brand new S197, only to discover it was a pointless exercise... now, painting the bare metal drivetrain components under your Mustang.. that is a requirement in my opinion.

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