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2017 ZL1 vs GT350R??

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not sure about destroying, ZL1 will be over 150lbs heavier and will most likely be slower in corners.

straight line wise it will obviously be a lot faster, that is why I said for big tracks with longer straights the ZL1 might be faster.
200 lbs heavier in base/manual trim and more in auto trim from what I hear/read. Plus, where is the weight loss between the 5th and 6th generations of ZL1 coming from?

And I'm ROFL at all the GM fanboys who were throwing out a $60K or under base price for the ZL1. To get the straight line numbers touted in the release, you'll have to add ~1700 for the automatic. Which won't even be available initially.
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The GT500 with nearly the same weight an 100 HP more... Im sure the GT500 will put a cork in it. Only thing is, not sure the GT500 will come in auto form.
Still, the 0-60 and quarter times are on par with the previous gen GT500.
Tag at least .2-3 seconds onto the time of the zl1 in a manual tranny.
Oh don't get me wrong, I strongly believe that the GT500 is going to get the upper hand when released, especially with the latest suspension prowess shown by the 350/R. It is for certain that the GT500 will be faster in a straight line, it is yet to be seen if it will be able to corner as well; as much as people don't want to admit it, GM has some of the greatest chassis tuning out there. The last time the two squared off, the ZL1 was heavier, and had a 100hp less, but still managed to put down better track times; granted that was with a live axle GT500.

I think Ford has what it takes to win both the straightline and handling contest this time around; with the progress and success that the 350/R has shown, I think its Ford's ball game to lose in this next one. Going to be interesting to see regardless! Never would have thought, being a huge Porsche fan, that the day would come when America was producing some of the most fun and best drivers cars :D
 

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Oh don't get me wrong, I strongly believe that the GT500 is going to get the upper hand when released, especially with the latest suspension prowess shown by the 350/R. It is for certain that the GT500 will be faster in a straight line, it is yet to be seen if it will be able to corner as well; as much as people don't want to admit it, GM has some of the greatest chassis tuning out there. The last time the two squared off, the ZL1 was heavier, and had a 100hp less, but still managed to put down better track times; granted that was with a live axle GT500.

I think Ford has what it takes to win both the straightline and handling contest this time around; with the progress and success that the 350/R has shown, I think its Ford's ball game to lose in this next one. Going to be interesting to see regardless! Never would have thought, being a huge Porsche fan, that the day would come when America was producing some of the most fun and best drivers cars :D
Although some would argue over the better track time regarding the 13 GT500 vs ZL1 as well. The 13 gt500 is/was no slouch on the track even with sra
 

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Although some would argue over the better track time regarding the 13 GT500 vs ZL1 as well. The 13 gt500 is/was no slouch on the track even with sra
I think ultimately it simply came down to the brakes not being able to keep up with the immense power, and the suspension itself seemed more geared towards drag racing than road racing, but as som think it should be when thinking of "ZL1 vs GT500" matchup of old :)
 

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Real-world ZL1's of the 5thGen did not live up to their hype. Hardly any owners of stock cars could equal GM's claimed numbers. And, IIRC, the GT500 and ZL1 each had wins over the other on road courses where they were pitted head-to-head. The ZL1 was not an outright better track car and it was no-contest in a straight line.
 

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Pricing was released on the 2017 zl1.. Coupe is starting at $62k and covertable at $69k. 0-60 in 3.5 and 1/4 in 11.4.
 

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GM has some of the greatest chassis tuning out there. The last time the two squared off, the ZL1 was heavier, and had a 100hp less, but still managed to put down better track times; granted that was with a live axle GT500.
The way I remember it is the GT500 was faster even with a SRA, but the brakes got hot, so after a few laps the ZL1 was able to continue at the same pace, whereas the brakes on the GT500 got hot and the GT500 slowed down.

Not sure I would (or GM should) brag about their IRS chassis being initially slower than Ford's SRA effort but eventually winning due to better brakes. It doesn't strike me as "the greatest chassis tuning out there".

Am I remembering that correctly?
 

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The way I remember it is the GT500 was faster even with a SRA, but the brakes got hot, so after a few laps the ZL1 was able to continue at the same pace, whereas the brakes on the GT500 got hot and the GT500 slowed down.

Not sure I would (or GM should) brag about their IRS chassis being initially slower than Ford's SRA effort but eventually winning due to better brakes. It doesn't strike me as "the greatest chassis tuning out there".

Am I remembering that correctly?
Well when you consider that the ZL1 was heavier, and had almost 100hp less, but matched the GT500 in laptimes, where do you think the time was made up too? :headbonk:

Even if you considered a single hot lap, clearly the Camaro was better in the corners... it was known to be MUCH slower in a straight line. And I already mentioned the brakes being the GT500's letdown. I expect Ford to produce a far more capable version of the GT500 this time around, with the knowledge gained from the 350 program.
 

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The way I remember it is the GT500 was faster even with a SRA, but the brakes got hot, so after a few laps the ZL1 was able to continue at the same pace, whereas the brakes on the GT500 got hot and the GT500 slowed down.

Not sure I would (or GM should) brag about their IRS chassis being initially slower than Ford's SRA effort but eventually winning due to better brakes. It doesn't strike me as "the greatest chassis tuning out there".

Am I remembering that correctly?
If you're talking about Motor Trend, yes, they were VERY vocal about the GT500's piss poor brake endurance, and piss poor it indeed is. A lot of other reviewers experienced the same thing. Fluid was just not up to the task. The ZL1 did have MSRC though too and had the braking endurance. Greatest chassis tuning out there? Ah, no. Not on the Zeta Platform anyway. If anything, it was somewhat sloppy. The S550 and the Alpha platform are way ahead of the Zeta and I would certainly hope so...

Say what you want about GM but their brakes have been one of their strong points for a while now.
 

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I'll agree that from the mid 70s to mid 90s not much was out there. But nobody can argue the fact that the fox body mustang ruled the 1/4 mile. I myself had 4
Yeah, for real. To this day the 87-93 fox body mustangs are arguably the best ponycar value per performance EVER. IMO :headbang:
 

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If you're talking about Motor Trend, yes, they were VERY vocal about the GT500's piss poor brake endurance, and piss poor it indeed is. A lot of other reviewers experienced the same thing. Fluid was just not up to the task. The ZL1 did have MSRC though too and had the braking endurance. Greatest chassis tuning out there? Ah, no. Not on the Zeta Platform anyway. If anything, it was somewhat sloppy. The S550 and the Alpha platform are way ahead of the Zeta and I would certainly hope so...

Say what you want about GM but their brakes have been one of their strong points for a while now.
For sure, chassis tuning aside, Chev and Porsche seem to know something about braking that the rest of the world don't :lol:

I agree the new S550 platform is great, is it better than the alpha? Ehh time will tell! I'll be tuning into the head 2 heads and reviews and enjoy the show :)
 

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If you're talking about Motor Trend, yes, they were VERY vocal about the GT500's piss poor brake endurance, and piss poor it indeed is. A lot of other reviewers experienced the same thing. Fluid was just not up to the task. The ZL1 did have MSRC though too and had the braking endurance. Greatest chassis tuning out there? Ah, no. Not on the Zeta Platform anyway. If anything, it was somewhat sloppy. The S550 and the Alpha platform are way ahead of the Zeta and I would certainly hope so...

Say what you want about GM but their brakes have been one of their strong points for a while now.
Well, the GT500 had the same brakes as the ZL1 with a hell of a lot more actual power. So it had another 8mph or something stupid at the end of the main straights to bleed off for the corner. Oh wait, even more than that since it lacked enough tire and was slightly slower in the corners.
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