2017 ZL1 vs GT350R??

[Voodooo]

There are great performance cars coming from Ford and GM. In the $50K and up market Ford has the mustang only. GM has the C7,Camaro and Cadillac . I've owned many Shelby's Corvettes, camaros and even a CTS-V. I don't have a favorite because they keep changing. I grew up in the 60's but this is the best performance car market ever. Why limit yourself to one make only ?

I've owned only fords in my 45 years in life and that will never change. Nothing GM or dodge or any other make interest me. I'm not the only one that's brand loyalty. Many people are brand loyal. Some are with other brands, i.e.

Ford vs Chevy
Apple vs Microsoft
Pepsi vs Coke
Edison vs Tesla
Nike vs Rebok
Visa vs MasterCard
Ferrari vs Lamborghini
Budweiser vs Miller
McDonald's vs Burger King
FedEx vs UPS
Duracell vs Energizer
Fender vs Gibson
Canon vs Nokon

I could go on and on but I think you get the point. It's personal preference.

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[J_Maher_AMG]

I've owned only fords in my 45 years in life and that will never change. Nothing GM or dodge or any other make interest me. I'm not the only one that's brand loyalty. Many people are brand loyal. Some are with other brands, i.e.

Ford vs Chevy
Apple vs Microsoft
Pepsi vs Coke
Edison vs Tesla
Nike vs Rebok
Visa vs MasterCard
Ferrari vs Lamborghini
Budweiser vs Miller
McDonald's vs Burger King
FedEx vs UPS
Duracell vs Energizer
Fender vs Gibson
Canon vs Nokon

I could go on and on but I think you get the point. It's personal preference.

Welllll thats a shame lol clearly in this price range there are many, many options out there. If you want to never try anything else that's fine, I just hope you don't believe that Ford is better than every other car maker out there :lol: cause it kinda seems that way based on your comments regarding Ford's competition.

I myself just prefer not to be a sheep :lol: If everyone thought the same as you did for example, then manufacturers could simply get away with anything and never have to improve their products. I would place my loyalty with a specific dealer with whom I had received exceptional service any day before a specific badge. And I am not saying this as an insult; if you have had great interactions or experiences owning Ford's your whole life, then that's honestly great especially if you are personally satisfied with your decisions. I just don't believe in turning a blind eye to all other options, as there are lots of other things out there that could be better.

 

[Voodooo]

I absolutely read your statements regarding the other metrics, which is precisely why I only mentioned about the hp/l making a better motor.

The vast majority of car people don't always consider larger displacement as automatically being better, at least in my experience with everyone I've come into contact with. The number of liters to most people, myself included, mean absolutely nothing. I wouldn't care if the Voodoo was 4.0L, 5.2L, or 5.8L, I love it because of its sound and character.

Anyone who purely thinks of engine size honestly doesn't know anything about cars and how there is more than one metric (i.e size) that makes a sports car, like you mentioned, weight, gearing, aero, etc., so in all honesty those people aren't worth worrying about :lol:

My primary point was that many people limit themselves (relatively speaking) because of brand loyalty or brand hate, and these people discredit other rivals to make themselves feel better about their own purchase decision from my perspective.

I don't care if someone disagrees with my choice of vehicle. I can afford to by a vet or viper or Bmw Benz etc. I like fords. Are other cars better? Sure. Do they peek my interest? No.
Honestly I think lambos are fking ugly. I don't care how they handle or sound. They are just ugly to me. To me they look like kits cars.
It's not always about brute power. I just bought a Norton Commando 961 SF cafe bike. (Should be here early next week from California) sure a Suzuki gsxr or Kawasaki zx would be faster but I don't like crotch rockets. I like the look and sound of a parallel twin along with vintage looks. I like to be able to see through a bike. I don't like the fairing and aero look hiding the mechanics of a bike. It only has 88 hp and 452 pounds but there's more to it then the speed for me.

 

[Blk2015GT]

Yet another bad comparison.

You simply cannot compare a forced induction vehicle to naturally aspirated. The 350R would be more a comparison to a naturally aspirated track Z-28.

There WILL be a FI Mustang shortly one way or another. Then compare.

Oh and if the spy photos n the past week are true, a twin turbo V8 (which Ford execs hinted would be more hp than the Hellcat some time ago) on the GT350 platform will absolutely spank anything Chevy has, ZL1 or otherwise.

 

[Voodooo]

Yes, because LeMans race cars win solely based on their engine performance... You sound very bright.

FYI: the 6.2L's are small blocks lol all your comments have no substance or weight behind them.

Notice the title of this thread? Zl1 vs GT350R. The R is naturally aspirated and 124 hp and 221 tq less. What's there to compare?

 

[J_Maher_AMG]

I don't care if someone disagrees with my choice of vehicle. I can afford to by a vet or viper or Bmw Benz etc. I like fords. Are other cars better? Sure. Do they peek my interest? No.
Honestly I think lambos are fking ugly. I don't care how they handle or sound. They are just ugly to me. To me they look like kits cars.
It's not always about brute power. I just bought a Norton Commando 961 SF cafe bike. (Should be here early next week from California) sure a Suzuki gsxr or Kawasaki zx would be faster but I don't like crotch rockets. I like the look and sound of a parallel twin along with vintage looks. I like to be able to see through a bike. I don't like the fairing and aero look hiding the mechanics of a bike. It only has 88 hp and 452 pounds but there's more to it then the speed for me.

Which is precisely why I said if you've been satisfied with your purchases, all the more power to you man. And couldn't possibly agree more regarding that power isn't everything. Lots of cars in this price range faster than a 350, but these cars are special, and to me the experience is more important than outright power. Once you go beyond a certain point, extra power just becomes useless and a liability really when driving on the street or in the canyon.

Never rode bikes myself, but funny enough I also prefer that style of bike compared to the crotch rockets. Think they just look cooler and more presence than the faster bikes.

Notice the title of this thread? Zl1 vs GT350R. The R is naturally aspirated and 124 hp and 221 tq less. What's there to compare?

I'm assuming you may have quoted the wrong person? Because I would be with you wholeheartedly on this, as the ZL1 was never meant to compete with the 350/R; it is direct competition for the upcoming GT500.

Based on how well Ford did with the handling of the GT350/R, I believe they have what it takes to produce a GT500 that not only has more power than the ZL1, but also may have the capability to finally outhandle it's Camaro rival.

 

[5.0 435]

I've owned only fords in my 45 years in life and that will never change. Nothing GM or dodge or any other make interest me. I'm not the only one that's brand loyalty. Many people are brand loyal. Some are with other brands, i.e.

Ford vs Chevy
Apple vs Microsoft
Pepsi vs Coke
Edison vs Tesla
Nike vs Rebok
Visa vs MasterCard
Ferrari vs Lamborghini
Budweiser vs Miller
McDonald's vs Burger King
FedEx vs UPS
Duracell vs Energizer
Fender vs Gibson
Canon vs Nokon

I could go on and on but I think you get the point. It's personal preference.

During the past 45 years the time period between 1975 - 1992 the Mustang was a disaster . Never owned one and for good reason. The Corvette wasn't much better back then. Porsche was the car of choice. How could any performance minded person buy a Ford back then. So what I'm saying is being brand loyal when the products suck makes no sense. Thanks to people buying the best product @ the time has forced manufactures to improve their products. Japan also played an important part of improving products coming our of Detroit. The Datsun 240 Z was a great car for its time. Yes I owned one over a Vette. Times sure have changed for the better.

 

[Voodooo]

During the past 45 years the time period between 1975 - 1992 the Mustang was a disaster . Never owned one and for good reason. The Corvette wasn't much better back then. Porsche was the car of choice. How could any performance minded person buy a Ford back then. So what I'm saying is being brand loyal when the products suck makes no sense. Thanks to people buying the best product @ the time has forced manufactures improve their products. Japan also played an important part of improving products coming our of Detroit. The Datsun 240 Z was a great car for its time. Yes I owned one over a Vette.

I'll agree that from the mid 70s to mid 90s not much was out there. But nobody can argue the fact that the fox body mustang ruled the 1/4 mile. I myself had 4

 

[5.0 435]

There was a time I would NEVER consider a Vette. It was just so crude and looked like a batmobile. Just hated them and their marketing approach. Miami vice crowd !! The Camaro was the mullet crowd back then.

 

[J_Maher_AMG]

There was a time I would NEVER consider a Vette. It was just so crude and looked like a batmobile. Just hated them and their marketing approach. Miami vice crowd !! The Camaro was the mullet crowd back then.

I couldn't agree more. To be 100% honest, up until last year I was not really interested in almost anything American made. I had my eyes set on a 2015 911 GTS with the old 3.8L in it, or a Boxter Spyder with the same 3.8L. It wasn't until my father bought the his 2015 Z51 Vette that my eyes were opened in regards to just how far American performance cars have come. Interior quality has vastly improved, and although the build quality is still not where I would like it to be compared to Mercedes, Porsche, BMW etc., the driving experience these cars offer and the combination of power/looks/affordability makes them hard to beat.

Funny thing is, less than 5 years ago, Porsche would have been the go-to driver's car in the minds of almost any honest car enthusiast in the world. Today, while Porsche is still certainly up there with the GT4, GT3, etc., cars like the Stingray and GT350 have shown that American can make some of the best and enjoyable driving cars on the market, and can certainly be compared with some of their much more expensive competition. Who would have known :clap2:

 

[J_Maher_AMG]

I'll agree that from the mid 70s to mid 90s not much was out there. But nobody can argue the fact that the fox body mustang ruled the 1/4 mile. I myself had 4

Seems like that period in time was literally the "dark ages" for performance cars; wasnt until the late 80's that a few super cars came to market (F40, 959) and then in the 90's a few other respectably powered cars came along.

I honestly was never a fan of the last gen mustang, nor the body style before that. The late 60's mustangs, Fox Body's of the 80's, and the new S550 platform are by far the coolest mustangs built. Nice thing about the F body's now is that they can be had for next to nothing, so they make fantastic project cars.

 

[J_Maher_AMG]

PS. I pick up my R in 6 days.

 

[SpursFan]

During the past 45 years the time period between 1975 - 1992 the Mustang was a disaster . Never owned one and for good reason.

Disaster? You already answered my next question so since you never owned one clearly your basing that of speculation. I owned many including an 86 SVO which still is one of my favorite cars to this day. Comments on forums are about as educated as those who vote.

 

[chuckty101]

PS. I pick up my R in 6 days.

PS: On the street with the performance mods I have on my GT350, it will beat any stock R.:cheers:

 

[machsmith]

PS: On the street with the performance mods I have on my GT350, it will beat any stock R.:cheers:

Street? Isnt it a track race car? So your saying 0-60? Im sure there are moded ecoboost 4s that will do that.

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