February 2016 Mustang Sales

[mustang_guy]

100 percent agree. Just like the 12.3 GTs. There are hero runs that only a few can do during a certain time of year. Best to best there is at minimum 4 tenth a difference. To some that is nothing. To others it's big. Shouldn't be something that sways a purchase though. Always gonna be someone who is faster.

Hey...i told you my local buddy did 12.4 in 1500ish da. . Thats not great air. 12.2 is the best negative da run if i recall right on stock tires. Ill need to double check the 12.2

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[ZaneWayne]

The price point is a bit high in my opinion. But the runflats making it into 11s is. Dont hate me zayne, im not exactly impressed by a DI v8 making 30mpg. The previous ls engines did that in vettes before DI.

Price is high, not going to make excuses for that. What's impressive to me is to get 3.9 to 60, 11s in the 1/4, 30 mpg, and a very fun car to drive all for less than 40 brand new. That to me all that stuff is ok when you just at each individual area, but when added to the same car is pretty awesome to me.

 

[ZaneWayne]

Hey...i told you my local buddy did 12.4 in 1500ish da. . Thats not great air. 12.2 is the best negative da run if i recall right on stock tires. Ill need to double check the 12.2

12.2 is a great time. Still haven't seen any time slip for this run though.

 

[Strokerswild]

100 percent agree. Just like the 12.3 GTs. There are hero runs that only a few can do during a certain time of year. Best to best there is at minimum 4 tenth a difference. To some that is nothing. To others it's big. Shouldn't be something that sways a purchase though. Always gonna be someone who is faster.

Yep.

Hell, it's been so long since I've been on a strip I'd probably be lucky to run a sub-13 in mine.

:headbonk:

 

[ZaneWayne]

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=440725

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=433512

 

[thePill]

The comical 6th gen maybe cartoonish to some. I could see that. But there is no denying that it is a performer. Period.

I think I need to wait to see one in the wild before I'd say that. The 5th Gen was also a "great handling car" in 2009 but initial opinions changed after lap 2. We hope to see one at the track this spring, there are a couple prepping for SCCA and should be at Pitt early this year.

A faster single flying lap from a vehicle with more power is always likely. Especially when the competitor is a fully loaded, Premium GT at 3825lbs.

Motor Trend said in the M4/SS comparison that their SCCA expert says 40lbs is worth a tenth... First, I'm glad the SCCA has become MT's go to place for info. Eventually Camaro fans will figure that out... Next, at least apply that rule of thumb to the fully loaded GT Premium in that 1:24 at Willow... Suddenly, a GTPP is on top of the SS... and we have yet to see it in competition.

The 2015-'16 GT is a serious performer... real world, no bullsh!t, SCCA expert approved, threat to everything in its class.

The ATS-V is a faster car than the SS and it is not a serious option for that kind of thing. Far better for street though.

 

[ZaneWayne]

I think I need to wait to see one in the wild before I'd say that. The 5th Gen was also a "great handling car" in 2009 but initial opinions changed after lap 2. We hope to see one at the track this spring, there are a couple prepping for SCCA and should be at Pitt early this year.

A faster single flying lap from a vehicle with more power is always likely. Especially when the competitor is a fully loaded, Premium GT at 3825lbs.

Motor Trend said in the M4/SS comparison that their SCCA expert says 40lbs is worth a tenth... First, I'm glad the SCCA has become MT's go to place for info. Eventually Camaro fans will figure that out... Next, at least apply that rule of thumb to the fully loaded GT Premium in that 1:24 at Willow... Suddenly, a GTPP is on top of the SS... and we have yet to see it in competition.

The 2015-'16 GT is a serious performer... real world, no bullsh!t, SCCA expert approved, threat to everything in its class.

The ATS-V is a faster car than the SS and it is not a serious option for that kind of thing. Far better for street though.

The GT is a performer. No doubt! I think the SS maybe quicker for a few laps than the ATS-V. And the time that was ran at M/T was from a loaded 2SS as well. So it wasn't a base. Base 1SS to base GTPP, the SS is going to be faster. Just that simple. Not sure how anyone could dispute that. Now, one could say it should be, being 2,500 more dollars.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

The GT is a performer. No doubt! I think the SS maybe quicker for a few laps than the ATS-V. And the time that was ran at M/T was from a loaded 2SS as well. So it wasn't a base. Base 1SS to base GTPP, the SS is going to be faster. Just that simple. Not sure how anyone could dispute that. Now, one could say it should be, being 2,500 more dollars.

The lap time of the GTPP was a fully loaded car like mine with a curb weight of 3815, I believe.

 

[thePill]

The GT is a performer. No doubt! I think the SS maybe quicker for a few laps than the ATS-V. And the time that was ran at M/T was from a loaded 2SS as well. So it wasn't a base. Base 1SS to base GTPP, the SS is going to be faster. Just that simple. Not sure how anyone could dispute that. Now, one could say it should be, being 2,500 more dollars.

The only dominant performance variant comes in the Auto 1SS and only in the 1/4 mile. The GTPP could run a 1:23-1:24 at Willow already... maybe MT can't break 1:24 in a 3825lbs GT Premium, but that is GT land already.

The 1/4 mile is purely automatic...

The 1SS and 2SS don't have many options. The good interior and stereo are limited to 2SS, which is a shame. The performance equipment the 1SS should have come with is only available via 1LE or Brake upgrade.

...and now nobody is buying them...

How many 5th Gen's were in the 6100 sales this month?

The 6th Gen won't last long... figure it's only about 50-60% of the 2010 Camaro sales.


The reality is, the 6th Gen sales are slightly worse than the out going 5th Gen. Once you look at the Alpha Camaro, you can tell they didn't put much thought into the structure either. A hack and stuff job on top of a shortened CTS Alpha. They paid some huge penalty in some areas.

 

[JohnnyUtah]

The only dominant performance variant comes in the Auto 1SS and only in the 1/4 mile. The GTPP could run a 1:23-1:24 at Willow already... maybe MT can't break 1:24 in a 3825lbs GT Premium, but that is GT land already.

The 1/4 mile is purely automatic...

The 1SS and 2SS don't have many options. The good interior and stereo are limited to 2SS, which is a shame. The performance equipment the 1SS should have come with is only available via 1LE or Brake upgrade.

...and now nobody is buying them...

How many 5th Gen's were in the 6100 sales this month?

The 6th Gen won't last long... figure it's only about 50-60% of the 2010 Camaro sales.


The reality is, the 6th Gen sales are slightly worse than the out going 5th Gen. Once you look at the Alpha Camaro, you can tell they didn't put much thought into the structure either. A hack and stuff job on top of a shortened CTS Alpha. They paid some huge penalty in some areas.

The stock brakes seem to be doing the job so far. No complaints from reviewers so far that I know of. They also beat the BMW CCB setup on the M4 by a good margin, and that is a $8K+ option.

Now I know that you'll say that they won't hold up to lap after lap of heat. OK, maybe they will or maybe they won't. I haven't tried them. Either way, that is what the 1LE is for. They should have included bigger brakes on the gen 5 1LE too.

Even if the 1LE package is $6K that puts it at $45K total. That is going to be hard to ignore. The 1LE will be competing with the GT350 TP and at a significantly lower price point.

I know the Camaro may not have the golden ratio of chassis measurements, but it certainly has the great ratio of performance per dollar out of the box.

 

[thePill]

The stock brakes seem to be doing the job so far. No complaints from reviewers so far that I know of. They also beat the BMW CCB setup on the M4 by a good margin, and that is a $8K+ option.

Now I know that you'll say that they won't hold up to lap after lap of heat. OK, maybe they will or maybe they won't. I haven't tried them. Either way, that is what the 1LE is for. They should have included bigger brakes on the gen 5 1LE too.

Even if the 1LE package is $6K that puts it at $45K total. That is going to be hard to ignore. The 1LE will be competing with the GT350 TP and at a significantly lower price point.

I know the Camaro may not have the golden ratio of chassis measurements, but it certainly has the great ratio of performance per dollar out of the box.

That's the danger of initial Chevy reviews. They tend to be fantastic during the media days, running laps 1-2 seconds faster than the competition. Then the customer never gets any of that... Sure, a lap or two and they are great, three 60-0 dives and it's still fantastic...

It won't be too long into the season before someone finds out there is an airflow/cooling/packaging issue in the 6th Gen. The upper grill doesn't pull air in at all :(

The AC Condensor blocks the lower grill... It needs to be redesigned like the ATS. Since these sales should see the end of the 6th Gen in 24 months, I'd say some emergency design changes need green lit. Because these sales numbers are poor. The 2015 Camaro sold more cats (:lollast winter than this one did this year. I bet a small portion of those February sales are 2015's too.

They have already invested R&D dollars into a ZL1/z28, a 1LE on maybe 3 trims, the I4 and Vert are delayed. Now dealer lots are full of 6th Gen's they can't move AND, have no room for the Ecoduke :lol:

Nothing has the GT350 in its sites and the GT500...

No advertising because GM is broke again. All the money probably went into the Z1LE128 mess... Oh yeah, the "Fitty" Anniversary model. Fifty what???

Fifty people are interested in the sticker package you made :lol:


They should make 50 and offer them for $50,000. Then they can actually sell them, 50 months later for 50% off...

 

[cbrookre]

A quick search of my area just for reference:

Within 500 miles of my zip code there are:

Camaro: 722 total, 428 (2016), 294 (2015)
Mustang: 787 total, 716 (2016), 70 (2015), 1 (2013, a Boss 302)

Since the Mustang made the change over in the Summer, it makes sense that there are far fewer 2015 sitting around than Camaro. But it does say that there are quite a few 2015 Camaros still sitting on lots, you can make your own conclusion on how many of the Jan/Feb sales were 2015 vs. 2016. I have only seen 1 2016 Camaro on the road so far (the guy was driving like a total ass) but to be fair, I only saw a small handful of s550 on the road at this time last year as well. Also to be fair, it takes me a little while to figure out that what I am looking at is, in fact, a 2014/2015 vs. what "may be" a 2016 Camaro.

 

[ZaneWayne]

The sales are not good. Not going to make an excuse. But that does not take anything away from how this car performs. I haven't heard anyone say anything negative about how he car drives. The visibility is bad, and poor storage, but the driving is pure awesomeness. Period.

 

[mustang_guy]

Gotta love shit talking camaro owners that wont post in the threads but pm you. I guess they think their stay will last that way.

 

[Todd15Fastback]

Gotta love shit talking camaro owners that wont post in the threads but pm you. I guess they think their stay will last that way.

Share their crap talking and release their forum names

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