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[Bald Menace]

wouldn't a bad tank of gas show up in the logs as a drastic reduction in timing and excessive knock sensing as well?

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[JennyStang]

So if something on my whipple car fails then y’all all agree I should blame whipple right? Lms guilty until proven innocent! Lmao

It’s funny the amount of livernois haters on this forum. Lol. There are a ton of Whipple failures but nothing about them. It’s comical.

 

[SolarFlare]

"I know its our tune, our blower and our install but you broke it even though you warned us it wasnt running right. Now if you ever want to see your car again, and we know your options are limited since you live so far, you will pay us the sum of $7200 we can put a motor strong enough and tune soft enough for this not to occur to you again, it will put down 750whp on pump gas on our dyno but on other false reading dynos it will only show 570whp. Stick with us, we know what we're doing."

 

[racingmason]

It's the same reason all the Facebook S550 groups are a joke. People are bashing this product over that one. Asking why they threw a rod after doing a high way pull with their Bama tuned Paxton from 40 to 160 mph on 87 octane gas. Or people blaming Ford for their transmission exploding when they dump the clutch at 7k and no lift shift it all day long. One guy forced Ford to buy the car back under lemon law because he had a vibration in the drive train and Ford could not diagnose it. It's a 40k Muscle car, not a BMW 5 series sedan buddy; there is going to be some noise and a small number of vibrations.

I've used Livernois Motorsports for years and never had any issues. I moved on to Sai Li for tuning after I went with a Kenne Bell because I live near Florida and LMS wanted to have my car tuned at their shop for quality control measures. I would not even hesitate to have LMS tune a vehicle of mine again in the future. My 93 octane tune from Sai Li is capped at 600 rhwp even though it can easily go past 700. It is extremely conservative because the variances between tanks of gas are actually pretty bad.

There have been failures on Whipple, KB, Turbo kits, Paxton, Vortech, etc. Guess what happens when you add more power than the stock block was designed to hold? Parts are subjected to more heat, pressure, vibrations, and accelerations than they were designed to take on a DAILY basis. That's the risk you take when adding any significant power adder to your vehicle.

 

[ALLKHEINZ]

I hope to get advice from members here. About 4 months ago Livernois Motorsports installed their LMS675 package on my 18K mile 2015 Mustang GT automatic. They also installed OPG/Sprocket at the same time.

The car had some drivablity issues from the beginning. I contacted them within a few weeks from the install. Made a lot of torque/power, but backfired a few times. Would kinda jerk. I called them several times stating my issues. Took it there about a month or so ago and they kept the car for 2 weeks to drive it. Put 120 miles on the car and said it had a "random rev limiter" issue.

I got the car back and it got progressively worse. I took it there 2 weeks ago. The salesman said the engine is bad. There is blowby in the crankcase.

I don't live near there so yesterday after keeping the car a week and a half, we had a conference call with the business manager/calibrater/salesmen. They were respectful and seemingly straightforward. Bottom line is that I need a new short block or rebuild. Probably a bad piston/ring. They said the heads are likely good.

They are saying I likely had a bad tank of gas. Is this possible?

Tomorrow they are giving me a quote on an installed forged shortblock.

I never raced the engine. Car ran perfectly before. They are saying they installed 75 of these exact setups in the last several years with zero issues.

Any information you can supply will help in my decision to have them fix it or get the car back. They make a pretty strong case for bad gas.

i see in your picture your car on Lidios Dyno at Alternative Auto, thats who i would go to for the fix....and if you wanna quick job have him grab an 11:1 Ford Racing Alluminator short or longblock, put the blower on and let him do the tuning...call it a day...i think an Alluminator Longblock is like $11k and a shortblock around $5900, you can call around im sure that a better deal could be had....put your OPG and Crank Sprocket into the new one and done...lidio knows what hes doing....

 

[Notagain]

Know whats ruining the performance enthusiast side of things here?

Entitled assholes that refuse to

A. Accept the responsibility fot their own doing but instead blame anyone they possibly can.

and

B. Ill just go ahead and say it. Not working with a vendor to resolve any issues is awefully douchy. This goes for everyone not just people who have had issues with LMS. Everyone wants to just jump on a forum and blast the parts vendor, product, or shop.

What a shame.

 

[Freedom]

Know whats ruining the performance enthusiast side of things here?

Entitled assholes that refuse to

A. Accept the responsibility fot their own doing but instead blame anyone they possibly can.

and

B. Ill just go ahead and say it. Not working with a vendor to resolve any issues is awefully douchy. This goes for everyone not just people who have had issues with LMS. Everyone wants to just jump on a forum and blast the parts vendor, product, or shop.

What a shame.

Except the fact that OP was very respectful and has given LMS the notice that the car was causing issues before hand but LMS were unable to diagnose? In addition, LMS is now upcharging OP into a new shortblock to handle something that LMS intended for a stock block. What LMS should have done was replace the block with a new OEM block and not upcharge.


My uneducated 2 cents, the tune is too aggressive and not enough testing was done.


Couldn't someone siphon out the gas and test the quality?

 

[GreenS550]

i see in your picture your car on Lidios Dyno at Alternative Auto, thats who i would go to for the fix....and if you wanna quick job have him grab an 11:1 Ford Racing Alluminator short or longblock, put the blower on and let him do the tuning...call it a day...i think an Alluminator Longblock is like $11k and a shortblock around $5900, you can call around im sure that a better deal could be had....put your OPG and Crank Sprocket into the new one and done...lidio knows what hes doing....

I actually did talk to Lidio. They do not do engines anymore unless it's during the winter.

 

[GreenS550]

The purpose of this thread is to find out information. Get advice. There is no intention of bashing anyone. After hearing what my salesman said and going through this process I am still not convinced Livernois did anything wrong. I am also not convinced that the tune or something done on the install wasn't done incorrectly.
When I taught science we always analyzed the problem collecting data. But, whenever a change was introduced to a complex system, and that system had a negative change, nearly every time it was the introduction of a change to the system that caused it.
My last several conversations with LMS have been very good. I have decided to give them the benefit of the doubt. They are in turn giving me a discount. Not perfect, but I've accepted this.
I want to report good things about my car and LMS, so lets keep our fingers crossed.

 

[Mustang_Lou]

Why not just pull gas from the tank via a gas line or under the backseat and test it for octane rating?

I assume the same gas is in there as when the engine went.

 

[Black Dog]

Why not just pull gas from the tank via a gas line or under the backseat and test it for octane rating?

I assume the same gas is in there as when the engine went.

I have seen people over the years accidentally pump 87 octane into their boosted application. You can still drive but stay out of boost. I have seen a a gas station accidentally have diesel poured into their E85 tanks in the ground. That station took responsibility for the mistake. Shit happens. What if Livernois did their job perfect? I am not on either side here but anything can happen. Mustang Lou has a great post of test the fuel in the tank. I do not know where or how to test but this would help either the OP or Livernois. If a company did their job and did it well it sure would suck to blame them. If fuel is fine in the tank then they need to step up to the plate and cover their fuck up.

 

[GreenS550]

Taking gas from the tank might help, but unlikely. The issues, if gas, likely occurred several tanks ago. I put a few thousand miles on the car. So, who really knows when it occurred as it got progressively worse. When I brought it in to LMS with its issues this last time, it was still making serious horsepower. Much more than stock. LMS found the blow by issue and said they could detect it in the idle as well.

 

[Black Dog]

Taking gas from the tank might help, but unlikely. The issues, if gas, likely occurred several tanks ago. I put a few thousand miles on the car. So, who really knows when it occurred as it got progressively worse. When I brought it in to LMS with its issues this last time, it was still making serious horsepower. Much more than stock. LMS found the blow by issue and said they could detect it in the idle as well.

So now if the tank of gas was bad we will never know. It is really difficult to find who's fault this is. It sucks for both parties. Had I had this issue I would of STOPPED driving it pulled the spark plugs to inspect. Inspecting plugs at time of issue would tell us more. Knock, lean and so on. This is how they did it in the old days.

 

[GreenS550]

So now if the tank of gas was bad we will never know. It is really difficult to find who's fault this is. It sucks for both parties. Had I had this issue I would of STOPPED driving it pulled the spark plugs to inspect. Inspecting plugs at time of issue would tell us more. Knock, lean and so on. This is how they did it in the old days.

No knock. No sudden issues. Just a weird tune that I felt was not right. It was not night and day and I did not know the engine was bad until I brought the car there. On the way to LMS the last time is when the engine light went on. But, on the first visit back it did pull several codes which I saw when I put the 91 tune on it to see if that made the car drive better. When I did I had to clear codes one of which was p0300 which I found out is the random misfire code. I did tell this to my salesman who said they would check it out. At that time, they found the random rev limiter issue.

 

[Black Dog]

No knock. No sudden issues. Just a weird tune that I felt was not right. It was not night and day and I did not know the engine was bad until I brought the car there. On the way to LMS the last time is when the engine light went on. But, on the first visit back it did pull several codes which I saw when I put the 91 tune on it to see if that made the car drive better. When I did I had to clear codes one of which was p0300 which I found out is the random misfire code. I did tell this to my salesman who said they would check it out. At that time, they found the random rev limiter issue.

So many variables. If only it was simple to find the problems.

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