Which Tesla?

[Balr14]

Doesn't matter if the tires will not allow it and the abs is unlocking wheels that lost traction.

In my case, that would be entirely academic. I would never accelerate hard in any vehicle that weighs 2 tons, anywhere but on an open road and then for no more than about 5 seconds.

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[RagmopInKona]

In my case, that would be entirely academic. I would never accelerate hard in any vehicle that weighs 2 tons, anywhere but on an open road and then for no more than about 5 seconds.

Some have common sense, some don't. Not saying the o/p doesn't, but other vehicles can come out of no where or a little sand or oil on the surface and weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, hello ditch. Where you might be already caucous on a bike because of the surface, in a vehicle most don't even think of it if it "looks" dry.
It takes ALOT of torque And no loss of traction not even a little bit ,to get a 2 ton plus vehicle to move to 60 in 1.9 or 3.3 seconds. Things happen fast. My reaction time isn't what it was at 18, maybe his still is.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

I ve seen a bunch of you tube video of wrecks from the other drivers not expecting the car to move that fast. A vette looks like it and move fast. A tesla to non car people doesn't. Unless you have a crystal ball to know what others are thinking and will do. Maybe you do. I don't.
This has been a problem when I Mat the go pedal in my ev. Other drivers don't expect it to move that quick and pull out because 99 % of eggs on wheels can't move that fast .

I'll try again. You are overlooking that the other cars are not invisible to us. Have around a hundred thousand miles on hyperbikes. Zero accidents. I do NOT create closing speeds greater than a clapped out Sentra can. And I do not drive faster than ambient traffic. If its been a problem for you, it is a problem in your power to solve. Its irrelevant to me.

There are plenty of on ramps, stop signs, being first at red lights. Nobody to hit or hit you when you send it.

 

[RagmopInKona]

I'll try again. You are overlooking that the other cars are not invisible to us. Have around a hundred thousand miles on hyperbikes. Zero accidents. I do NOT create closing speeds greater than a clapped out Sentra can. And I do not drive faster than ambient traffic. If its been a problem for you, it is a problem in your power to solve. Its irrelevant to me.

There are plenty of on ramps, stop signs, being first at red lights. Nobody to hit or hit you when you send it.

Great, you are perfect, got it.
Still have the refleces of a 18 y/o at 74. My bad.
Carry on.

 

[dnstommy]

I have owned a S, YLR and a M3P. The S is nice because of its size, but they have removed so many options now. Its just a big M3P for 40k more.

So its the M3P. Small agile and corners like a mofo.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

I have owned a S, YLR and a M3P. The S is nice because of its size, but they have removed so many options now. Its just a big M3P for 40k more.

So its the M3P. Small agile and corners like a mofo.

I REALLY don't like the size of the S but would put up with it if enough extra giggles.

I worry that the laws of minimal returns might apply more for the Plaid, especially after seeing Youtube reviews of people buying an LR then adding/replacing with a Plaid and saying they wished they hadn't after the additional thrills faded with time.

Regarding the price difference, Tesla has reduced the S (including Plaid) prices drastically. After last week's drops its $40k less than 2 years ago. Of course, the 3P appears to still qualify for a $7,500 tax credit so the delta is still pretty large.

I would probably wait if I knew for a fact there would be a Plaid 3, but in a very short time there won't even be a 3 Performance. The refreshed 3 is already out in other markets and no word at all when or if a P or Plaid.

I'd bet on them, including the Plaid but it could be years out. I don't think Tesla cares that much about the S anymore. It has served its main purpose and are now a drop in the bucket sales wise. And potential S buyers will be moving toward more luxurious competitors.

 

[dnstommy]

It does seem like the S is dead. The only thing the S really has is air suspension. The S and X sales are way down. And honestly the 3P is really fast. If you are looking to do 50-130 pulls, then yes the plaid/S is better because of the big battery. But light to light the M3P makes your head hurt.

The highland does not include a performance yet, and I think it wont for a while because the LFP battery has less voltage that the lithium ion battery. I feel like the LFP dual motor is as fast as the LFP can go. Time will tell.

You can buy a 21/22 M3P for a song right now. And they are the same car.

 

[Nightmonkey]

Hyundai Ioniq 5 (N)

 

[HoosierDaddy]

It does seem like the S is dead. The only thing the S really has is air suspension. The S and X sales are way down. And honestly the 3P is really fast. If you are looking to do 50-130 pulls, then yes the plaid/S is better because of the big battery. But light to light the M3P makes your head hurt.

The highland does not include a performance yet, and I think it wont for a while because the LFP battery has less voltage that the lithium ion battery. I feel like the LFP dual motor is as fast as the LFP can go. Time will tell.

You can buy a 21/22 M3P for a song right now. And they are the same car.

Today is Tesla's last chance to set me up for an S Plaid test. If they can't, I'll buy a 3P.

I have NEVER bought any used vehicle. Even when poor, just bought what I could afford. Back in the 12/12 warranty days, cars were too fragile and I was too hard on them to NOT have a warranty. The 12 months let me find out for free how much was too hard. ;)

Guess that doesn't apply much these days but still thinking I'm old enough now could go undefeated re buying used. Teslas might make it even harder since my impression is they change specs constantly and unrelated to model year. Would hate to buy a used built a month before they upgraded a processor, or something needed for some future over the air feature.

Besides, if a new 3 gets me a $7,500 tax credit, that closes the gap to used.

[/rationalization]

 

[HoosierDaddy]

Hyundai Ioniq 5 (N)

Was aware but absolutely not interested. For the next few years minimum, only EV I would buy is a Tesla for too many reasons to post.

 

[Nightmonkey]

I can't warm up at all to Teslas round-sucked exterior design and the cruel HMI, reduced to a tablet.
I would have to fight vomiting every time I entered the garage, and would need a hammer in the vehicle to keep the tablet in shape.

 

[Hack]

My opinion is to get what you want and don't worry. If you decide to sell later it isn't the end of the world. It's only money and life is short.

Good luck with the decision! I remember riding my dad's 1500CC Vulcan. My inner ear would get a little confused on launch at times. Fun stuff.

 

[dnstommy]

Today is Tesla's last chance to set me up for an S Plaid test. If they can't, I'll buy a 3P.

I have NEVER bought any used vehicle. Even when poor, just bought what I could afford. Back in the 12/12 warranty days, cars were too fragile and I was too hard on them to NOT have a warranty. The 12 months let me find out for free how much was too hard. ;)

Guess that doesn't apply much these days but still thinking I'm old enough now could go undefeated re buying used. Teslas might make it even harder since my impression is they change specs constantly and unrelated to model year. Would hate to buy a used built a month before they upgraded a processor, or something needed for some future over the air feature.

Besides, if a new 3 gets me a $7,500 tax credit, that closes the gap to used.

[/rationalization]

Yeah they dont have a model year, they just change it whenever. Recently all they have done is remove stuff. Radar and USS for an example. The last thing I can think of for adding is the AMD GPU. That was around April 22 if I remember right.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

Yeah they dont have a model year, they just change it whenever. Recently all they have done is remove stuff. Radar and USS for an example. The last thing I can think of for adding is the AMD GPU. That was around April 22 if I remember right.

From a consumer viewpoint, cameras can definitely outperform Ultrasonic, Only plus of ultrasonic, is almost no software needed to interpret. I'm not as convinced that image post processing can match radar, but trust Tesla.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

Finally got an S Plaid test drive and back to back with a 3 Performance. I can feel the difference but not a lot below 60 at least without extra preparation steps. As quick as the Plaid was I was a little surprised Tesla gave it a more aggressive throttle mapping than the 3.

I was still leaning slightly toward the S because it was slightly quicker. Wife definitely did not think that was worth the extra size, weight and electricity. And she threw in the $7,500 tax credit for the 3 which price qualifies by $5 or something like that.

So, I bought a 3 Performance from stock that just arrived from the factory the same day.

I had checked inventory of Plaids and 3Ps before doing the test drives and the only 3Ps in local inventory were white or red. Both are tri-coats which would be my last choices. But a Silver (I'd call it charcoal) arrived while I was doing the test drives. Not a lot of choices even custom ordering. Just 4 exterior colors, 2 interiors and do you want Enhance autopilot. Probably would have preferred the Blue paint but even it is a darker blue than I prefer. Definitely would have gone with white if they had not switched that to a tri-coat.

This one had the white interior. Which would be better than all black at least until modding. The "leather" is at least as good looking and feeling as the Premier upgrade in my 2016 GT (think the Premier interior option became its own trim level at some point). Good chance I'll put in some aftermarket leather and wrap or otherwise change the appearance of the white panels. Appearance wise the white interior is actually good other than the seats are white everywhere but middle of the backs. The contrast between the black and the whiter than white is striking. Almost need sun glasses to look at the white in the garage.

Wheels are a decent design but very dark and 20". Have to go. And I think the car will be on Pirellis having recently switched from PS4S (what were they thinking?), so tires may have to go. Already researching lighter and wider aftermarket wheels that clear the 4 piston brakes. Seems to be like the S550, i.e. a very few 18s that will clear but lots of 19s.

And I think I have already been Tesla'ed. The entire purchase is done online. You can have a rep do it in one of their showrooms, but all they would do is use the exact same web page you could at home.

Anyway, you pick a car from local inventory or custom order. Interestingly, from inventory (which are only never even customer test driven cars), the price for a 3 was ~$3500 less than ordering. Apparently, that is the norm for Tesla. Haven't figured out the logic yet.

You go thru pages describing all the options and features of that particular car, including things like first 3 months of Full Self Driving that otherwise costs $200/month (more later).

Then you choose how you'll pay (cash) and they take a non-refundable $259 fee.

Okay. All done with that and a thank you for your order, yada yada yada. But them you get a pop up informing you there has been a change to your order and asking you to acknowledge, The change was that Tesla Vision software won't be working on delivery but "soon".

WTF is Tesla Vision? Apparently, it's their name for a technology that does not appear in any marketing material but several features that are described for the car and touted as major reasons for buying a Tesla, including on the order page, don't work without it.

Wow! Must be late breaking problem, possibly since i started the order just minutes before. But no, they have been telling buyers after the sale this since last November!

So had to research what features won't work for some completely unknown amount of time to determine if I call a lawyer, dispute the CC order fee, burn down the local Tesla office, or something else.

"Temporarily" disabled features are: Autopark, Summon and FSD. Didn't plan to ever use Autopark and never planned to use summon except to amuse others on rare occasions. And did not anticipate ever wanting to pay for or use Full Self Driving. So Arson of Tesla offices is ruled out.

But since the order form specifically touted a 3 month trial of FSD worth $600. I can't let them Major Major me. I'm okay with them delaying the trial until the Tesla Vision update but not if the trial ends 3 months after delivery but before it was ever available!



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