What does everyone think of the new 400Z?

[Jmesl8er]

Love the tail lights, I'm bias though.

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[Sivi70980]

I like the plainish look but my first question is: Can we see out the back of this one?

 

[Strokerswild]

I like it much better than the current Z.

 

[Jmesl8er]

Here it is

 

[NoVaGT]

Looks fantastic. Epic.

Restrained, yet still Japanese.

Home-run.

 

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

If it was in the price range of the 370z..it would be smart. They should undercut the supra.

If its more at supra prices..which it seems it will be..there are better cars for the price.

It needs to be an affordable enthusiasts car just like prior iterations of the z..not something that most people cant afford. Shame too, i love the z's. My second car was a 350z.

Hmmm. When the 300ZX Twin turbo came out around 1990, or so, the base price ($33k) matched about that of the Corvette. But it also beat the Corvette in every performance metric, and had a much nicer interior, and better street manners. That $33k to today's dollars is $65k. So, even if the new Z came out at Supra prices, it would still be cheaper (accounting for inflation) than a 300ZX twin turbo was in the early 90s.

 

[Sivi70980]

Hmmm. When the 300ZX Twin turbo came out around 1990, or so, the base price ($33k) matched about that of the Corvette. But it also beat the Corvette in every performance metric, and had a much nicer interior, and better street manners. That $33k to today's dollars is $65k. So, even if the new Z came out at Supra prices, it would still be cheaper (accounting for inflation) than a 300ZX twin turbo was in the early 90s.

But also unlikely to beat a Corvette in any metric...unless it does. Wait and see I guess.

 

[Adamone92]

Hmmm. When the 300ZX Twin turbo came out around 1990, or so, the base price ($33k) matched about that of the Corvette. But it also beat the Corvette in every performance metric, and had a much nicer interior, and better street manners. That $33k to today's dollars is $65k. So, even if the new Z came out at Supra prices, it would still be cheaper (accounting for inflation) than a 300ZX twin turbo was in the early 90s.

sure, but id wager a 350z and a 370z was a lot more affordable. They were competing with cars in a cheaper price range, the corvette was not their competition. the 350z and 370z were cheaper in comparison than the 300zx was unless talking the nismo packages. This isn't the 90s, and lets face it...50k or more is a different market than the 30k market the 350/370 hit. i could afford a good shape 350z when i was 17 for example, that would be much harder for a 17 year old to afford on a car priced that much higher.

also like the next person said, i dont think this z will be competing with the corvette, or other comparable vehicles in the category, hell..thats used GTR territory too for the nissan fanboys. Not to mention the other cars in that range., not only performance wise, but appearance wise and everything else..might be a bit of a stretch for the z. I still think it needs to undercut the supra. that price range isnt the same category of people as the 350z and 370z was marketed towards.

 

[Sivi70980]

Also, rear window wiper delete would be the first mod.

 

[Adamone92]

Also, rear window wiper delete would be the first mod.

yes. also maybe some different taillights. GTR style perhaps would look better imo. the "current" ones just dont go with the rest of the car to me.

 

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

sure, but id wager a 350z and a 370z was a lot more affordable. They were competing with cars in a cheaper price range, the corvette was not their competition. the 350z and 370z were cheaper in comparison than the 300zx was unless talking the nismo packages. This isn't the 90s, and lets face it...50k or more is a different market than the 30k market the 350/370 hit. i could afford a good shape 350z when i was 17 for example, that would be much harder for a 17 year old to afford on a car priced that much higher.

also like the next person said, i dont think this z will be competing with the corvette, or other comparable vehicles in the category, hell..thats used GTR territory too for the nissan fanboys. Not to mention the other cars in that range., not only performance wise, but appearance wise and everything else..might be a bit of a stretch for the z. I still think it needs to undercut the supra. that price range isnt the same category of people as the 350z and 370z was marketed towards.

I agree with all that - I don't think the new Z will be a competitor to the Corvette, in performance or price. I was just pointing out that it wasn't always a common man's sports car. The twin turbo 300ZX was expensive for its time ($65k+ in today's dollars), but it also outperformed the contemporary Corvette, and the 350Z which debuted a decade and a half later, and easily hangs with the current manual 370Z (albeit, 11 years old now). They down marketed the car back to its roots as a more affordable sports car when Nissan brought it back as the 350Z, but at the sacrifice of performance compared to the 300ZX twin turbo.

1990 300ZX twin turbo: 0-60 in 5.0 and 1/4 mile in 13.7 @ 102 mph
2003 350Z manual: 0-60 in 5.4 and 1/4 mile in 14.1 @ 101 mph
2019 370Z Manual: 0-60 in 5.0 and 1/4 mile: 13.6 @ 106 mph (other tests have shown slower trap speeds as well)

The old 300ZX is also right on the cusp of the newer cars' grip (0.87 vs. 0.88 and 0.89 g), with very old tire technology. Put some modern summer tires on the 300ZX and watch it grip much higher. I always loved that Z32 turbo 300ZX.

https://www.caranddriver.com/review...e-stealth-r-t-turbo-archived-comparison-test/

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15136959/nissan-350z-road-test/

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a21649051/2019-nissan-370z-manual-test-review/

 

[Adamone92]

I agree with all that - I don't think the new Z will be a competitor to the Corvette, in performance or price. I was just pointing out that it wasn't always a common man's sports car. The twin turbo 300ZX was expensive for its time ($65k+ in today's dollars), but it also outperformed the contemporary Corvette, and the 350Z which debuted a decade and a half later, and easily hangs with the current manual 370Z (albeit, 11 years old now). They down marketed the car back to its roots as a more affordable sports car when Nissan brought it back as the 350Z, but at the sacrifice of performance compared to the 300ZX twin turbo.

1990 300ZX twin turbo: 0-60 in 5.0 and 1/4 mile in 13.7 @ 102 mph
2003 350Z manual: 0-60 in 5.4 and 1/4 mile in 14.1 @ 101 mph
2019 370Z Manual: 0-60 in 5.0 and 1/4 mile: 13.6 @ 106 mph (other tests have shown slower trap speeds as well)

The old 300ZX is also right on the cusp of the newer cars' grip (0.87 vs. 0.88 and 0.89 g), with very old tire technology. Put some modern summer tires on the 300ZX and watch it grip much higher. I always loved that Z32 turbo 300ZX.

https://www.caranddriver.com/review...e-stealth-r-t-turbo-archived-comparison-test/

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a15136959/nissan-350z-road-test/

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a21649051/2019-nissan-370z-manual-test-review/

I agree with all of this..and love the 300zx as well. I had a 350z back in the day. Id wager that plenty more 350/370z were sold than the 300zx due to price. The same theme would probably happen but in reverse if this z is overpriced..but could help save nissan (or help them) if priced correctly.

Also yes..ive been in my old 2005 350z and a 2019 370z..not much of a difference..felt like pretty much the same car..which was sad. Lol. I hope the 400z is much better..but still a reasonable price. However, seeing the carbon fiber bits..doesnt make me optimistic. Hoping thats nismo only or else itll be expensive.

 

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

With a worse interior and about the same performance as a Mustang GT...from 2009.

The new Z is expected to have 400 hp, and likely weigh around 3400 lbs +/-. It will probably be a low 12 second 1/4 mile car, and run circles around a 2009 GT on a road course.

And I think the interior looks pretty good.

 

[Adamone92]

Love the tail lights, I'm bias though.

Beautiful car.

 

[Shifting_Gears]

Love the roofline and everything from the cabin back.

Front end looks bland and underdesigned. I think with a few subtle changes they could match the front to the rear better and still keep in ungaudy. I do definitely like that about the car though.. pretty low key.

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