Unofficial Off Topic Thread

[Skye]

As Skye tried to characterize it, my wish a continuation of tax cuts, he calls a "handout". Near as I can figure after a recent exchange of posts is he resents my wanting to deprive the government of extra monies taken from my pockets. I suppose the additional extra funds could make it more for him to take advantage of. I await his answer on this. Perhaps a clever new "reality".

No resentment in your receipts. No offense intended with my posts.

My concern with the tax cuts is what that does to GOV revenue. Using the Big Beautiful Bill as a recent example, the current mark-up reduces revenue by $4.5T over ten years; this is the majority's own numbers. Net. If an equal number of cuts we part of the package, to make it deficit neutral, great, let's work towards that. But that's not part of the bill in its current form. The package is about to clear the House, with it being given to the Senate by Memorial Day weekend.

The additional funds being gifted to me are part of the overall economy. We all enjoy it. Tax cuts, greater defense spending, welfare, insert spending here. Any additional dollar borrowed and put into the economy causes it to grow greater than it would have otherwise. At the expense of whomever will be left holding the bill. Used on a temporary basis, it can do some good. Done so consistently for 30+ years, not so much.

I'm not against people receiving more of their own money back, the current Administration or anything else. I am against making the problem of deficits and debt worse.

To clarify, tax cuts are not THE problem. They are one component of our existing fiscal policy, a policy that has serious issues.

I don't care for hearing about quick, easy or unclear solutions. I am for being told the truth: we're in a F'd up situation, decades in the making, that will take tough choices and a long time to fix. No one is going to win an election by attempting to make that point. Which is probably why virtually no one brings it up in a serious manner.

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[Skye]

Wow, just wow. SMH

The point I was attempting to make is, all spending over and above what is being received as revenue, has a stimulative effect throughout the economy. Doesn't matter how the money is being received, by who or how spent. The additional funds are circulating, with the multiplier effect boosting that, the end result being the same. As I pointed out, this will be to the detriment of the ones facing the bill going forward.

Balancing the budget could be a national goal to work towards. Unfortunately, taking $1.5T+ out of the economy will have negative impacts for everyone. Taking a long-term, generational perspective, I'd still like to believe we can right the disaster we're currently sitting in.

 

[sk47]

No resentment in your receipts. No offense intended with my posts.

My concern with the tax cuts is what that does to GOV revenue. Using the Big Beautiful Bill as a recent example, the current mark-up reduces revenue by $4.5T over ten years; this is the majority's own numbers. Net. If an equal number of cuts we part of the package, to make it deficit neutral, great, let's work towards that. But that's not part of the bill in its current form. The package is about to clear the House, with it being given to the Senate by Memorial Day weekend.

The additional funds being gifted to me are part of the overall economy. We all enjoy it. Tax cuts, greater defense spending, welfare, insert spending here. Any additional dollar borrowed and put into the economy causes it to grow greater than it would have otherwise. At the expense of whomever will be left holding the bill. Used on a temporary basis, it can do some good. Done so consistently for 30+ years, not so much.

I'm not against people receiving more of their own money back, the current Administration or anything else. I am against making the problem of deficits and debt worse.

To clarify, tax cuts are not THE problem. They are one component of our existing fiscal policy, a policy that has serious issues.

I don't care for hearing about quick, easy or unclear solutions. I am for being told the truth: we're in a F'd up situation, decades in the making, that will take tough choices and a long time to fix. No one is going to win an election by attempting to make that point. Which is probably why virtually no one brings it up in a serious manner.

Hello; OK , I get it. Thanks for the response. Sadly we both see the crisis for what it is. Perhaps from a different viewpoint which may be why our posts have seemed to be at odds.
I saw the environmental disaster looming back around 1970 to 75. Had a vague idea there would be associated fiscal problems. But I was actively studying biology at the time and not so much economics.
We are perhaps like two blind guys getting a feel for a elephant from different ends of the unknown beast. I looked at the issues from a population biology viewpoint. Came to a view that most, if not all, coming problems would stem from overpopulation of humans. Too many people exceeding the carrying capacities of their local areas. I still tend to see many issues from such point of view. However, the budget deficits and the associated total debt are not a natural phenomenon.

Somehow our leaders, political and fiscal, stumbled upon a way to temporarily cheat the rules. Not so much like a picture of Dorian Grey but such did come to mind. I must agree that any real solution will be painful to most, if not all. Perhaps the road the can has been kicked down for so long has also been spiraling down into a dead-end debt pit.

I suppose I took an out back in 1975 when I came to understand what appeared to be an inevitable outcome. I decided to be childless and did accomplish such.

Back to our differences of opinion. I was starting to take offense at some of the things you post. I now see a value in your continued dialogue. Likely i will not see the world the same as you but do understand we pretty much see the same dragons which need slaying.

 

[S550HPP]

Sadly we are in irreversible decline as every debt fueled short lived empire before us.

The only ones who endure longer than our 80 years of wealth and military intimidation kept the conquered lands and the riches enslaving the people for poor paid labor.

The only way out now is to implement flat tax for everyone now eliminating tax avoidance and cuts costs as much as possible unfortunately the interest payments are so huge it's probably best just to default, do flat tax, and start over.

 

[K4fxd]

We've got some real problems. If they were so easy to fix, someone would have done so and taken credit for it by now.

We have one man who was elected to fix the problems and the other side is doing everything it can to stop him.

 

[sk47]

High school female track star poses on first-place podium after finishing second to trans athlete: ‘Real champ!’
Hello; I like the part where when the authentic female athlete took the first-place step of the podium and the crowd cheered. Even in places where the bosses allow men to compete against women the folks know better.

 

[sk47]

Why a TX man was issued a ticket during test drive

Hello; Interesting story. The dealership's offer to take the ticket cost off the purchase price of the truck rather than just to reimburse the man is a main bit of the story.

That some police official decided to punish customers so as to get at the dealership is almost as bad as the above.

Back some years I knew a man with a small car lot in KY. His two kids pretty much always drove around with dealer tags on their cars. While i do not know what the story/ excuse is of the dealership linked above, a guess is they have something similar going on and do not have enough tags for customers.

 

[sk47]

GM Fixes Ticketing Lifters By Making V8 Burn More Fuel
Hello; I wound up with a Chevy pickup back in 2004 after my F-150 was totaled. Needed a truck and ford had just rolled out a newly revised F-150 so were not dealing. Got a decent deal on the Chevy with a V8.
Turns out my V8 is among the last without the cylinder deactivation feature. Now days all truck V8's have some form of these systems. I personally do not like the idea to begin with. More than a personal feeling though is these systems are known to have problems. Best as i can learn the Ford system may be less trouble prone as it's V8's do not have pushrods.

The linked story highlights the sort of corner the EPA type of regulations along with other powers that have boxed car companies into. This is not the worst box to be sure. The sell only EV mandates likely top the list, maybe.

So customers do not like the noise and drivability issues of cylinder deactivation as well as breakdowns. So GM does what I figure is a software "fix" which keeps the engines in V8 mode and they fuss about fuel mileage. The thing not mentioned, to me, is the modified lifters remain in place.

 

[sk47]

Scam tricks car sellers instead of buyers
Hello; A new one to me.

 

[526 HRSE]

Pick a major new story. Russia? Trayvon? Michael Brown? George Floyd? Spying on Trump campaign, January 6th? Pick one.

How come this was skipped over? Again, history proves whether or not your news source is trustworthy. Politifact, Snopes, and all the other paid fact checking sites are irrelevant.

Again, you have the floor to cherry pick your stories and see where FOX got it wrong. Covid was a little more questionable at first, but as it went on, FOX nailed it and CNN, MSNBC, ABC, all of them failed miserably. Notably, Laura Ingrahm was all over the story.

FOX had to get rid of Tucker as part of the stolen election settlement, but it turns out, Tucker was right about that too. 8 million votes seemed to vanish this time around, but that was just a "bad turnout", right?

I'd love to discuss any major story over the past 15 years.

 

[sk47]

Again, you have the floor to cherry pick your stories and see where FOX got it wrong. Covid was a little more questionable at first, but as it went on, FOX nailed it and CNN, MSNBC, ABC, all of them failed miserably. Notably, Laura Ingrahm was all over the story.

Hello; Many of us were personally put down on this forum by a cadre over our covid 19 stances as well. Fox as you say nailed it. Also nailed other disputed stories including the cogitative impairment of our leader. Now the very ones who failed to report on that, some of them are writing books apparently claiming they only recently realized such.

 

[526 HRSE]

Hello; Many of us were personally put down on this forum by a cadre over our covid 19 stances as well. Fox as you say nailed it. Also nailed other disputed stories including the cogitative impairment of our leader. Now the very ones who failed to report on that, some of them are writing books apparently claiming they only recently realized such.

I'm specifically talking about major stories that were covered over the past 15 years. Not arguing about who was right during the story, but after the facts presented themselves over time.

We now know that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, we know that Mike Brown was rushing the officer when he got shot, we know that Hillary paid for all the made up stuff about Russia, we now know the Covid shot was not safe nor effective. As we are now getting FDA warnings. We know that the mortality rate for Covid was less than 1% in March 2020 and remained that way until today. We know that federal agents were involved with j6 and the kidnapping ploy on Gretchen Whitmire.

I don't have a news source bias, I have a truth bias. I now listen to the radio for my news but that is purely out of spite.

I want to legitimately know a story that Fox for wrong? Educate me.

 

[CrazyHippie]

No resentment in your receipts. No offense intended with my posts.

My concern with the tax cuts is what that does to GOV revenue. Using the Big Beautiful Bill as a recent example, the current mark-up reduces revenue by $4.5T over ten years; this is the majority's own numbers. Net. If an equal number of cuts we part of the package, to make it deficit neutral, great, let's work towards that. But that's not part of the bill in its current form. The package is about to clear the House, with it being given to the Senate by Memorial Day weekend.

The additional funds being gifted to me are part of the overall economy. We all enjoy it. Tax cuts, greater defense spending, welfare, insert spending here. Any additional dollar borrowed and put into the economy causes it to grow greater than it would have otherwise. At the expense of whomever will be left holding the bill. Used on a temporary basis, it can do some good. Done so consistently for 30+ years, not so much.

I'm not against people receiving more of their own money back, the current Administration or anything else. I am against making the problem of deficits and debt worse.

To clarify, tax cuts are not THE problem. They are one component of our existing fiscal policy, a policy that has serious issues.

I don't care for hearing about quick, easy or unclear solutions. I am for being told the truth: we're in a F'd up situation, decades in the making, that will take tough choices and a long time to fix. No one is going to win an election by attempting to make that point. Which is probably why virtually no one brings it up in a serious manner.

Get your checkbook out and write a check to the government if you are so concerned that they don't have enough of our money. It's that simple.

 

[sk47]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/c...1&cvid=750c3bd2e601422e8de2a63aea679398&ei=51
Hello; I did not know of this law. I also did not know key metal has a lead content. I do know many, if not most, metal products are mixtures (alloys) of more than one sort of metal.

More to the point is there is a reality and there is idealism. I get and understand the idealism of removing things from the environment which may be harmful. Sometimes the ideal does not make all that much sense.

The lead content of metal keys in the new law is stricter than a similar law in California. Such ought to be a clue of sorts. The lead in the keys is bound pretty tightly would be my guess so likely is hard to get at.

The main argument seems to be some small child may put a key in it's mouth. Maybe spray some bitter tasting stuff on the keys. Maybe take the key away from the child. I do not have children so likely do not know. Do parents give kids keys to chew on.

Last thought. When young and even into adulthood I did fasten lead weights onto fishing line with my teeth. I eventually cabbaged onto the dumb idea part and now use pilers. Same sort of thing back when I would watch my uncle change brake shoes. He would blow the brake dust into the air. This was before asbestos was removed from such.

 

[526 HRSE]

Maybe they should work on removing lead from water systems in big/older cities. Can't believe they beat California on this.

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