UK arrival of S650 Dark Horse

[Eclipsar]

No, my dealer has had it confirmed that they will make factory orders, just not yet. Wording from Ford to my dealer is below.

I'm afraid nothing can be amended on the pre-allocated orders. In this instance, you would have to wait for central stock to appear, or you can place a factory order

I must of just got lucky with my order then as I told the dealer what I wanted and he placed it

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[Gregs24]

I must of just got lucky with my order then as I told the dealer what I wanted and he placed it

Yes. One of the pre-allocated cars is the same spec as you wanted.

 

[pclarkuk]

What dealership did you order from?

 

[Eclipsar]

What dealership did you order from?

Vospers, Exeter

 

[pclarkuk]

Vospers, Exeter

same as for my order

 

[Eclipsar]

same as for my order

What did you order?

 

[pclarkuk]

Dark Horse
6 speed Manual
Colour Blue Ember
Dark Horse appearance Pack

 

[Eclipsar]

Dark Horse
6 speed Manual
Colour Blue Ember
Dark Horse appearance Pack

Great spec

 

[2021 Mach 1]

There are so few options, just like the Mach 1s. Transmission, colour, seats

 

[Lancaster]

I’m really disappointed with the power output of the UK Dark Horse. At 446 bhp (453 ps) that is significantly less than the US version and barely any more powerful than the GT here (439 bhp / 446 ps). I completely understand that due to EU emission laws the power output will always be less than in the US, but a loss of 50 bhp? With the S550s the loss in power over here was only about 20 bhp so I don’t understand why the difference is so much bigger this time around. It also doesn’t make sense that it is less powerful than the Mach 1 sold here previously.

Unless of course the EU emission laws have got tougher over the last 18 months (completely possible) meaning the loss in power is now more drastic, but even then not having hardly any distance in power between the UK DH and GT seems to be an own goal considering the price difference between the two. Yes, of course, I understand there are lots of other differences between the two which make up for the price difference but even so I find it all a bit of a let down. And that’s before you take into account the supposed additional challenges of tuning and modding the S650 engine.

 

[Eclipsar]

I’m really disappointed with the power output of the UK Dark Horse. At 446 bhp (453 ps) that is significantly less than the US version and barely any more powerful than the GT here (439 bhp / 446 ps). I completely understand that due to EU emission laws the power output will always be less than in the US, but a loss of 50 bhp? With the S550s the loss in power over here was only about 20 bhp so I don’t understand why the difference is so much bigger this time around. It also doesn’t make sense that it is less powerful than the Mach 1 sold here previously.

Unless of course the EU emission laws have got tougher over the last 18 months (completely possible) meaning the loss in power is now more drastic, but even then not having hardly any distance in power between the UK DH and GT seems to be an own goal considering the price difference between the two. Yes, of course, I understand there are lots of other differences between the two which make up for the price difference but even so I find it all a bit of a let down. And that’s before you take into account the supposed additional challenges of tuning and modding the S650 engine.

It’s the EU omissions causing this as the cars in the EU have the same drop in power, they say it’s the OPF

 

[2021 Mach 1]

Whilst I will certainly try and buy a DH at some point, the locked ECU is the #1 disappointment for me. The difference between my pre and post naturally aspirated tune in my Mach 1 was like night and day. The torque at 3k RPM was increased +40%. The car was transformed. I don't think I would supercharge a DH, so the Whipple tune wouldn't happen. Many people keep saying HP Tuners will crack the ECU code, but I haven't seen anyone custom tune a NA S650. That, for me, is the #1 issue.

 

[Eclipsar]

Whilst I will certainly try and buy a DH at some point, the locked ECU is the #1 disappointment for me. The difference between my pre and post naturally aspirated tune in my Mach 1 was like night and day. The torque at 3k RPM was increased +40%. The car was transformed. I don't think I would supercharge a DH, so the Whipple tune wouldn't happen. Many people keep saying HP Tuners will crack the ECU code, but I haven't seen anyone custom tune a NA S650. That, for me, is the #1 issue.

I suspect someone will crack it, but even if they don’t I would of thought Ford or it’s authorised distributors will release something, my biggest worry with the new model is all the rules a new model will have to comply to meet the EU rules

 

[WD Pro]

I’m really disappointed with the power output of the UK Dark Horse. At 446 bhp (453 ps) that is significantly less than the US version and barely any more powerful than the GT here (439 bhp / 446 ps).

Are those numbers correct (I haven’t checked) ?

Here is what Ford quoted for the S550 (extract from the 21 brochure)

So the DH is only 3ps more than a facelift GT … ???

S650 GT = 446ps
S550 GT = 450ps
S650 DH = 453ps
S550 M1 = 460ps

And if I understand correctly, the 650 will be heavier and more difficult / currently impossible to tune ?

We all know what Mustang quality is like, so at 70k, it seems like a real big kick in the dick for someone who’s already in a late S550, especially you guys considering the change coming from a M1 ?

WD

 

[Eclipsar]

Are those numbers correct (I haven’t checked) ?

Here is what Ford quoted for the S550 (extract from the 21 brochure)

So the DH is only 3ps more than a facelift GT … ???

S650 GT = 446ps
S550 GT = 450ps
S650 DH = 453ps
S550 M1 = 460ps

And if I understand correctly, the 650 will be heavier and more difficult / currently impossible to tune ?

We all know what Mustang quality is like, so at 70k, it seems like a real big kick in the dick for someone who’s already in a late S550, especially you guys considering the change coming from a M1 ?

WD

Figures look correct and as you say the S650 DH is 82kg heavier than a M1,, this is always going to be a problem with new models having to comply to stricter rules than it predecessor

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