Turning Radius

[allgripnoslip]

What if it's an Automatic?

If it's an automatic then the driver doesn't seem to be interested in bettering themselves as a driver or they'd be driving the manual.

but just like everything the automatic driver does, just let the car do it for you and mash both pedals then release the brake while steering.

Good thing power capabilities and turning circle have nothing to do with each other, so you can have both. Remember different strokes for different folks. You can do things in a car with a small turning circle that you can't do in one with a larger one. You might be able to get to the point the smaller car could but it will just take you longer. I like being able to get things done. I think it's awesome being able to park in an angled parking spot when going the wrong way lol or it's a two laned angled parking lot and I see a spot open on the other side. I don't do it all the time but it amuses me that I'm able to do it without readjusting, every time I do it.

Why not just back into those parking spots? No turning radius needed and nicer to pull out of.

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[All-Or-Nothing]

What if it's an Automatic?

6 point turn

 

[All-Or-Nothing]

If it's an automatic then the driver doesn't seem to be interested in bettering themselves as a driver or they'd be driving the manual.

This is complete NONSENSE.

 

[DivineStrike]

If it's an automatic then the driver doesn't seem to be interested in bettering themselves as a driver or they'd be driving the manual.

but just like everything the automatic driver does, just let the car do it for you and mash both pedals then release the brake while steering.




Why not just back into those parking spots? No turning radius needed and nicer to pull out of.

That defeats the purpose of trying to be efficient when parking. I'm wanting to do things faster, not slower. I understand some people prefer it and it's easier/safer pulling out of the spot when you leave, but honestly seeing cars that have backed into a space annoys me. I can understand for trucks larger than a half ton. But anything else is just ridiculous to me. Also, it's annoying A.F. waiting on people to back into a spot.

 

[allgripnoslip]

This is complete NONSENSE.

Even with a rebuttal as logically sound as the evidence you've presented, I don't find your argument persuasive.

I'd be happy to continue this conversation for hours as I've done in the past, but it would be off topic; if you quote my post and put it in the "manual vs automatic" thread, I'll happily continue the conversation there.

 

[allgripnoslip]

That defeats the purpose of trying to be efficient when parking. I'm wanting to do things faster, not slower. I understand some people prefer it and it's easier/safer pulling out of the spot when you leave, but honestly seeing cars that have backed into a space annoys me. I can understand for trucks larger than a half ton. But anything else is just ridiculous to me. Also, it's annoying A.F. waiting on people to back into a spot.

I once whipped into a parking spot backwards so fast, a guy in oncoming traffic gave me a thumbs up, why does it take a long time to back up?

I can back up into a space in only fractionally longer time than pulling in forward and 100% of that is made back up in pulling out of the space forward.

When backing in I can center myself in the space for a lower likelihood of door dings and If I'm running late when I leave I can pull out much faster and safer.

 

[Husker]

If it's an automatic then the driver doesn't seem to be interested in bettering themselves as a driver or they'd be driving the manual.

"Ridiculous & Imbecilic" ➙➙ :first:

 

[DivineStrike]

"Ridiculous & Imbecilic" ➙➙ :first:

I can understand his argument in reference to daily driving. Automatics can tend to make you complacent. But in track environment they also let you focus solely on your lines and braking. There's a defense for both angles really. On the track having an automatic can actually make you the better driver if what your lacking is the braking skills and lines. After that though manual will help you learn more instead of relying on the car to pick the gear for you.

 

[Husker]

I can understand his argument in reference to daily driving. Automatics can tend to make you complacent. But in track environment they also let you focus solely on your lines and braking. There's a defense for both angles really. On the track having an automatic can actually make you the better driver if what your lacking is the braking skills and lines. After that though manual will help you learn more instead of relying on the car to pick the gear for you.

His reply was to the question, whipping your car around (U-Turn in tight area) with an Automatic. I understand driving on the track, been there done that with my past M3s & Boss Mustang.

I agree, Manual is more fun and was/is the desired method at tracks. Fact is, more Autos on the road, some with paddle shift that actually work as good as or better than a stick.

 

[All-Or-Nothing]

Even with a rebuttal as logically sound as the evidence you've presented, I don't find your argument persuasive.

I'd be happy to continue this conversation for hours as I've done in the past, but it would be off topic; if you quote my post and put it in the "manual vs automatic" thread, I'll happily continue the conversation there.

I don't need to follow you to another thread. It will be nonsense there too.

 

[allgripnoslip]

I don't need to follow you to another thread. It will be nonsense there too.

It would be nice if you'd give even one single reason other than "it just is, because I said."

If one wants to better themselves as a driver, not find the faster car, but improve their own abilities; how could one argue any differently?

 

[DivineStrike]

It would be nice if you'd give even one single reason other than "it just is, because I said."

If one wants to better themselves as a driver, not find the faster car, but improve their own abilities; how could one argue any differently?

On the track, simple. Focusing on your lines and braking rather than worrying about what gear you need to be in. That said, after your comfortable, move on to the manual to improve your driving further. anyhow enough off topic.

 

[allgripnoslip]

On the track, simple. Focusing on your lines and braking rather than worrying about what gear you need to be in. That said, after your comfortable, move on to the manual to improve your driving further. anyhow enough off topic.

Maybe if you're not use to driving manual transmission and you were not confident with it, then it would require some of your focus that you could give to other things....like texting or trying to hit a different apex point.

Once one becomes accustomed to changing their own gear, It takes no focus or thought. So with either transmission you can focus on where you intend to apex or what crack you've noted as your personal braking marker.


What gear I'm in and getting there has vastly improved over my life. I use the skill often and that causes the skill to improve; in what way would an automatic improve in ones driving?

If you want to honestly talk about focus, who do you think is more focused on what they and the car are doing and planning what they're going to do down the road, the manual driver or the driver that gets automatically shifted?

 

[kulfyur]

Why not just back into those parking spots? No turning radius needed and nicer to pull out of.

Hell why dont i just do it in a 3 point turn like everyone else? No turning radius needed for that either.

Why don't we just all by a piece of plastic with wheels and put a 150hp motor on it to go faster?

Why dont was all just take the dashboard out the car and leave only the steering wheel and the odometer?

Why dont we still manually roll down our windows?

We're not saying that we can't get into the parking space. (at least I'm not) We're just saying it sucks that it lost so much turn radius... I mean, unless someone can honestly tell me (and post a link to a creditable site with an explanation so i can better understand) that a larger turn radius is better for handling and track performance other than "keeps you from oversteering" then as far as im concerned it's the same a losing a few horsepower. We just plain lost ground here. But i'm still buying the car because i excused it due to it being an all new suspension so im GUESSING that combined with a wider car may have led to the lose. But none of that changes the fact that it's still worse performance here and I and others are going to miss it.

That defeats the purpose of trying to be efficient when parking. I'm wanting to do things faster, not slower. I understand some people prefer it and it's easier/safer pulling out of the spot when you leave, but honestly seeing cars that have backed into a space annoys me. I can understand for trucks larger than a half ton. But anything else is just ridiculous to me. Also, it's annoying A.F. waiting on people to back into a spot.

DS..... wtf are you talking about?!

lol im just messing with you... i dont take all day to back in. I whips it! Faction longer my butt though... it takes at least twice as long because your essetial turning twice as opposed to once, stopping (unless you want to strip your gears), and changing gears. At best, staring from when ou cut the wheel the first time get into the spot (not starting from when you enter the parking lot) it will take at LEAST twice as long unless you just suck at parking forward lol... but yea "aint no body got time for dat!"

 

[allgripnoslip]

Hell why dont i just do it in a 3 point turn like everyone else? No turning radius needed for that either.

Why don't we just all by a piece of plastic with wheels and put a 150hp motor on it to go faster?

Why dont was all just take the dashboard out the car and leave only the steering wheel and the odometer?

Why dont we still manually roll down our windows?

We're not saying that we can't get into the parking space. (at least I'm not) We're just saying it sucks that it lost so much turn radius... I mean, unless someone can honestly tell me (and post a link to a creditable site with an explanation so i can better understand) that a larger turn radius is better for handling and track performance other than "keeps you from oversteering" then as far as im concerned it's the same a losing a few horsepower. We just plain lost ground here. But i'm still buying the car because i excused it due to it being an all new suspension so im GUESSING that combined with a wider car may have led to the lose. But none of that changes the fact that it's still worse performance here and I and others are going to miss it.

I was suggesting a solution that I personally implement that solves the problem my post was talking about.

I'm not happy about a larger turning radius, I'd like it to be smaller, but it's such a minor issue. I never made the oversteer claim, but if you want my take on it. Wider tires in the front grip better around corners, wider tires in the front can't turn as far without rubbing on something. So it's a minor loss of turning radius for a gain of front end grip.

DS..... wtf are you talking about?!

lol im just messing with you... i dont take all day to back in. I whips it! Faction longer my butt though... it takes at least twice as long because your essetial turning twice as opposed to once, stopping (unless you want to strip your gears), and changing gears. At best, staring from when ou cut the wheel the first time get into the spot (not starting from when you enter the parking lot) it will take at LEAST twice as long unless you just suck at parking forward lol... but yea "aint no body got time for dat!"

Maybe you should follow your own post: http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php/tensions-are-getting-3343.html

"i dont take all day to back in. I whips it!" sounds a lot like your trying to make fun of me attempting to make my posts vocabulary more interesting. No hard feelings though, I'm solid with myself.

Maybe it does take twice as long to back in, 2-3sec to pull in forward vs 5sec to back in. but 2.5sec is still a fraction of time longer, and it's made up when leaving. I turn the wheel once to line myself up then back straight in while making slight corrections to the wheel to center myself.

I think it's a wonderful solution to many problems, Elderly women who are moments from death may take longer to back in, they do take longer when they back out in front of you. Your normal individual should have no problem.

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