Tuner with the fewest engine failures?

[JMil757]

What up all,

Have a 16 Ecoboost that only has a AEM dry filter.

Looking at finally tuning it with Lund, Livernois, or Palm Beach Dyno.

I’m looking at doing e85, Intercooler, and either the HPFP/DW injectors from livernois or the HPP turbo upgrade from Ford.

I’m looking for reliability and the fewest failures from a tuner. Any suggestions?

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[StealthStang]

You're not going to know those kind of stats, and what does it matter anyway ? Some tuners are intentionally blowing the engines to find the limits, these are their own development cars so who cares ?

You are looking at it from the complete wrong point of view, what you really should be asking is who is the most experienced tuner and who has all the right knowledge and equipment and support.

Lastly, if you're considering things like running bigger injectors and turbo and you're worried about damaging the motor or its reliability, you should reconsider running an aftermarket tuned car and rather go for factory supported mods.

 

[Deleted member]

I wouldn't go with any of those tuners to be honest, PD-tuning, Tune +, or Stratified tuning.They are more specialized in this platform. Just my .02

Not to say any of the tuners you listed couldn't do a tune for your car, but they tune a broad range of vehicles.

PD-tuning only does Eco's and Mazda speeds which is our motors daddy anyway
Tune+ only Eco's
Stratified does start to branch out into other brands but again only small DI turbo platforms

 

[StealthStang]

Livernois have done a lot of Eco's though, they even do built drag race blocks and heads up to 1000HP.

 

[vernonator]

Livernois have done a lot of Eco's though, they even do built drag race blocks and heads up to 1000HP.

I would go with Livernois hands down. Ran a Livernois 93 octane tune on my '12 Taurus SHO with zero issues, and excellent customer service. There is an Ecoboost owners forum that you can drop in on and see the discussions - lots of Livernois tunes and no issues.

 

[Deleted member]

Livernois have done a lot of Eco's though, they even do built drag race blocks and heads up to 1000HP.

yes Livernois has done plenty of eco's and are very familiar with the platform, but again do lots of other vehicles as well. My thinking is that if Im gonna trust someone to tune my car then I want them to specialize in just that platform.

OP it's your money and your car in the end, do what makes you happy

 

[Deleted member]

I would go with Livernois hands down. Ran a Livernois 93 octane tune on my '12 Taurus SHO with zero issues, and excellent customer service. There is an Ecoboost owners forum that you can drop in on and see the discussions - lots of Livernois tunes and no issues.

That's a bit of a broad statement to make, that no Livernois tuned vehicles have never had an issue...

 

[StealthStang]

That's a bit of a broad statement to make, that no Livernois tuned vehicles have never had an issue...

You could say the same about Adam tune+ or PD tuning...but like i said before, making a decision based on that alone is kinda silly, the nature of tuning means things will break, its how the tuner handles the breakages that matter and if they have been breaking their own hardware first before experimenting on the customers.
Ive definitely heard of broken cars from PD and Tune+, but the fact is they are tuning hundreds of these cars successfully, so i wouldnt be too concerned if a few customers cars did break. Its the nature of the game.

Truth be told most of time breakages are due to things outside the control of the tuner, we know that people pull all kinds of stunts with the dealerships (modding and reverting back to stock for warranty claims) im pretty sure this happens to the major tuners too.
I wouldnt worry about using tunes and parts from most of the companies already mentioned in this thread (PD-Tuning, Tune+, Livernois), though id be a fool to expect a car thats going to be more reliable than a factory tuned car, especially if major changes are made such as the injectors and turbo. These engines are high strung, if the OP is scared about it breaking i would advise not to make big changes in the first place. Of course it can be relatively reliable, but choosing tuner A over Tuner B because tuner B had a couple more engines break is false logic.

 

[Deleted member]

You could say the same about Adam tune+ or PD tuning...but like i said before, making a decision based on that alone is kinda silly, the nature of tuning means things will break, its how the tuner handles the breakages that matter and if they have been breaking their own hardware first before experimenting on the customers.
Ive definitely heard of broken cars from PD and Tune+, but the fact is they are tuning hundreds of these cars successfully, so i wouldnt be too concerned if a few customers cars did break. Its the nature of the game.

Truth be told most of time breakages are due to things outside the control of the tuner, we know that people pull all kinds of stunts with the dealerships (modding and reverting back to stock for warranty claims) im pretty sure this happens to the major tuners too.
I wouldnt worry about using tunes and parts from most of the companies already mentioned in this thread (PD-Tuning, Tune+, Livernois), though id be a fool to expect a car thats going to be more reliable than a factory tuned car, especially if major changes are made such as the injectors and turbo. These engines are high strung, if the OP is scared about it breaking i would advise not to make big changes in the first place. Of course it can be relatively reliable, but choosing tuner A over Tuner B because tuner B had a couple more engines break is false logic.

Don't disagree with anything you said, but for the record I never said getting a tune from tune+ or PD means he wouldn't blow.
I was disagreeing with the other post that every livernois tuned vehicle never had an issue that is all. All tuners have cars that blow motors including Ford motor co stock tuning or the Ford performance tune.

 

[StealthStang]

Yeah im not disagreeing with you either, just getting some conversation going for the OP to read and make a decision because i don't think his criteria for chosing a tuner are going to result in him finding a tuner thats going to give him what he expects.

He could get a broken engine from a tuner that has a supposed perfect track record, only to find out later because they had only tuned a handful of ecoboosts beforehand anyway.

 

[JMil757]

Thanks all. I had a bad experience with a tuner on my 2000 GT. Not that the motor blew, but it would stall while pushing in the clutch to slow down. He’d “fix it” after a data log, then I drop him off, and the car was 10x worse on the way home.

 

[JMil757]

You could say the same about Adam tune+ or PD tuning...but like i said before, making a decision based on that alone is kinda silly, the nature of tuning means things will break, its how the tuner handles the breakages that matter and if they have been breaking their own hardware first before experimenting on the customers.
Ive definitely heard of broken cars from PD and Tune+, but the fact is they are tuning hundreds of these cars successfully, so i wouldnt be too concerned if a few customers cars did break. Its the nature of the game.

Truth be told most of time breakages are due to things outside the control of the tuner, we know that people pull all kinds of stunts with the dealerships (modding and reverting back to stock for warranty claims) im pretty sure this happens to the major tuners too.
I wouldnt worry about using tunes and parts from most of the companies already mentioned in this thread (PD-Tuning, Tune+, Livernois), though id be a fool to expect a car thats going to be more reliable than a factory tuned car, especially if major changes are made such as the injectors and turbo. These engines are high strung, if the OP is scared about it breaking i would advise not to make big changes in the first place. Of course it can be relatively reliable, but choosing tuner A over Tuner B because tuner B had a couple more engines break is false logic.

It’s not false logic if you’re using that info placing a bet. There are outside circumstances in every case, but it’s not an air filter where results are the same, these tunes are different and some tuners are superior.

 

[StealthStang]

It’s not false logic if you’re using that info placing a bet. There are outside circumstances in every case, but it’s not an air filter where results are the same, these tunes are different and some tuners are superior.

Though engines breaking doesnt tell you if one tuners tune is better than another, unless engines are constantly breaking from a particular tuner. Where are you going to get those stats from ?

Your best bet is just to go with the tuners that members have had good results with, youre just not going to find any info on the numbers of broken engines from each tuner.

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