The Reason the SVO Name Won't Return.

[Grimace427]

Stevfreestyle, despite the revisions the engine is still a Coyote by heart and is still essentially the same as before. Yes it is tweaked, but the design is unchanged. By comparison, the previous 4.6 3V could have a 5.0 displacement from Ford Racing but it can't be compared to the Coyote in any way other than displacement.

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[Stevefreestyle]

Stevfreestyle, despite the revisions the engine is still a Coyote by heart and is still essentially the same as before. Yes it is tweaked, but the design is unchanged. By comparison, the previous 4.6 3V could have a 5.0 displacement from Ford Racing but it can't be compared to the Coyote in any way other than displacement.

The issue that I was responding to was the false assumption that the V8 was carried over unchanged - a misconception probably resulting from Ford referencing the current Hp & Tq figures.

I am not going to debate syllogisms or semantics, however whilst the base S550 5.0 GT engine is still Coyote iteration, as was the BOSS 302 - it HAS however undergone extensive revisions, and apparently has far more in common with the BOSS than the original 5.0.

As such, it is clearly not "the same" or "just carried over" from the previous base (420 Hp) model, as the BOSS is technically not the same as the base 5.0.

Originally Posted by Mriley
Engine? Unless you're talking about the new 4cylinder the V6 and V8 are pretty much carried over from what I understand.

 

[w3rkn]

I disagree, and as Tampa said, it won't be used, at least not if they are smart.

The SVO Mustang was named....

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.. It "could" have premium upgrades with a premium price over the already spendy GT, but I just don't see a $40,000+ Turbo 4 happening -- at least not if they want to sell any.

That is your problem my friend.

Now that the Mustang has a more refined suspension, you get a more refined buyer. Solid rear axle was not a selling feature, for a premium anything.

All that has changed with the s550.


Plus, this 4-turbo was specifically designed for the Mustang. Meant for beating on. It will also be quieter, lighter & more fuel efficient than a 5.0. With a loss of very little street power/performance.

You can easily have two different types of buyers. Plus, how does a premium mustang sounds weird to you?

 

[S550Boss]

Another thread lost or hijacked by going completely off-topic.

 

[SStormtrooPer]

SVO created one car, one, single, car and it was a Turbo 4 Mustang. The name SVO, to the enthusiast, means a Mustang made in the 1980's on Fox platform with a 2.3L Turbo 4 cylinder motor. Outside of that, it means NOTHING. There was nothing else made under that program/company/whateveryouwanttocallit. I'm not sure why people are hung up on the idea of using that name because it was a program like SVT? Who the hell cares about the group SVO at this point and time? Their legacy is in the Mustang that had the same name so lets honor that name.

Why does it matter if the SVO program resulted in 1 car/trim pkg or 1 million cars/trim pkgs? You completely missed the point(and yes, SVO is an awesome name). If Ford said "We only care about fuel economy right now, so the GT is going to have a 180HP V6, and it will be the most powerful Mustang", would you say "that's great because I like the name "GT", and it is a GT in spirit as long as it is the fastest Mustang"? Or how about selling something with the Shelby name just because they can charge more, even though there is little to no Shelby involvement?

People are hung up because names and past model names/trims have meaning or sentimental value, and are important to them -- that, and SVO is a defunct program that ONLY Mustang enthusiasts know what it refers to(and not even all enthusiasts know). Ford is trying to appeal to a younger market, and gain new customers. The kids they are "courting" have ZERO clue what SVO means. I'm sorry you hate the "ST" designation -- I do too. I think it is crap. BUT because you and I as Mustang enthusiasts don't like it does NOT change the fact that the youngsters relate "ST" to Ford turbo performance, and "SVO" to, well, nothing.

That is your problem my friend.

Now that the Mustang has a more refined suspension, you get a more refined buyer. Solid rear axle was not a selling feature, for a premium anything.

All that has changed with the s550.


Plus, this 4-turbo was specifically designed for the Mustang. Meant for beating on. It will also be quieter, lighter & more fuel efficient than a 5.0. With a loss of very little street power/performance.

You can easily have two different types of buyers. Plus, how does a premium mustang sounds weird to you?

Actually it is not my problem. I could care less, and I think the turbo 4 is great idea. Last I checked, the Mustang with SRA outsold the Challenger, the Genesis, the Z, the FWD Japanese coupes, the 2 door BMW M cars, and was not too far behind the Camaro. ALL of which had a superior rear suspension. Sorry, "refined" suspension.

A premium Mustang is NOT weird at all -- and we have seen PLENTY of premium Mustangs over the years. A premium 4 cylinder IS weird -- in the minds of Americans, that's like outfitting a King Ranch F350 with a NA 3.5L V6, or a Z06 Corvette with 2.0 Ecotech... Not very "premium".

That said, YOU are a market for the turbo 4(judging based on your car being and 1 series). While they will sell, the market will remain relatively unchanged as it is now.

Hate to break it to you, but just because your view may have been swayed does not mean MOST Mustang fans will break for a 4 cylinder that commands a premium over the V8 -- unless of course only the 4 cylinder turbo got the IRS(THAT is in "spirit" of the original SVO). This is the pony car market, not the AWD rally car market. Just because the Mustang(ALL trims) has an actual working rear suspension now doesn't mean the market has changed.

The EcoBoost will create its own niche, but will not be the game changer.

 

[Stevefreestyle]

Why does it matter if the SVO program resulted in 1 car/trim pkg or 1 million cars/trim pkgs? You completely missed the point(and yes, SVO is an awesome name). If Ford said "We only care about fuel economy right now, so the GT is going to have a 180HP V6, and it will be the most powerful Mustang", would you say "that's great because I like the name "GT", and it is a GT in spirit as long as it is the fastest Mustang"? Or how about selling something with the Shelby name just because they can charge more, even though there is little to no Shelby involvement?

People are hung up because names and past model names/trims have meaning or sentimental value, and are important to them -- that, and SVO is a defunct program that ONLY Mustang enthusiasts know what it refers to(and not even all enthusiasts know). Ford is trying to appeal to a younger market, and gain new customers. The kids they are "courting" have ZERO clue what SVO means. I'm sorry you hate the "ST" designation -- I do too. I think it is crap. BUT because you and I as Mustang enthusiasts don't like it does NOT change the fact that the youngsters relate "ST" to Ford turbo performance, and "SVO" to, well, nothing.



Actually it is not my problem. I could care less, and I think the turbo 4 is great idea. Last I checked, the Mustang with SRA outsold the Challenger, the Genesis, the Z, the FWD Japanese coupes, the 2 door BMW M cars, and was not too far behind the Camaro. ALL of which had a superior rear suspension. Sorry, "refined" suspension.

A premium Mustang is NOT weird at all -- and we have seen PLENTY of premium Mustangs over the years. A premium 4 cylinder IS weird -- in the minds of Americans, that's like outfitting a King Ranch F350 with a NA 3.5L V6, or a Z06 Corvette with 2.0 Ecotech... Not very "premium".

That said, YOU are a market for the turbo 4(judging based on your car being and 1 series). While they will sell, the market will remain relatively unchanged as it is now.

Hate to break it to you, but just because your view may have been swayed does not mean MOST Mustang fans will break for a 4 cylinder that commands a premium over the V8 -- unless of course only the 4 cylinder turbo got the IRS(THAT is in "spirit" of the original SVO). This is the pony car market, not the AWD rally car market. Just because the Mustang(ALL trims) has an actual working rear suspension now doesn't mean the market has changed.

The EcoBoost will create its own niche, but will not be the game changer.

Well said !

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