Take note, Ford....

[EcoVert]

Then Ford will lose as if they are just going to emulate Audi/Merc etc then I may as well buy a Audi/Merc. Ford need to keep a niche with the Mustang

If you are going to price up with (or near) the Europeans people are not going to tolerate panel gaps and other fit/finish and QC issues. Those things shouldn't exist period in 2017, but there were a lot willing to look the other way since you can argue you were getting such a bargain in price/performance. That's getting a lot harder to do.

You guys have a vey narrow view the 2018 Mustang is going to be a winner. The only thing that is going to hurt the Mustang is the general down turn in the automotive industry. Suv's are what most people are buying Impala Malibu as well as the cts and ats are being considered to be axed the Fiesta in the US already has.

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[Rinzler]

Then Ford will lose as if they are just going to emulate Audi/Merc etc then I may as well buy a Audi/Merc. Ford need to keep a niche with the Mustang

What I find funny, is the people who are on this forum who claim the Mustang has moved too up-market, would be in here complaining that Ford isn't innovating and lagging behind the competition if it didn't have these upmarket features.

Don't forget, the market is what drives Ford to make many of its business decisions regarding what goes into a vehicle. We already know from the more recent Lincoln brand, that Ford knows how to truly make a luxury car, and if they wanted to Mustang to compete with Audi/Merc, it could do that. However, the Mustang cannot exist in a universe of its own and must move with the trend. Cars are getting safer, faster, more efficient and as a result more expensive no doubt.

I think it's always a good idea to take a step back and have a bit of perspective as the enthusiast certainly does generate a lot of buzz, but we don't make Ford's bottom line. The mass consumer who wants a good looking, sporty car and don't want to pay BMW or Porsche to get one.

Also, don't ever forget, the golden rule. More Mustang sales = more innovation all around. Without the success of the S550 EcoBoost Mustang, Ford moving the Mustang overseas, and making it a more competitive car, we wouldn't have a 10-speed 460 horsepower Mustang about to do 2000s supercar 0-60 times. It's all about perspective.

 

[kobexu]

I kind of agree although I don't mind paying a premium for something like a GT350 where it's all about performance but I don't want to pay for gimmicks like lane assist, keyless entry (what's wrong with a fob), 10 speed, digital dash, magneride etc. Yes I know some of these are on the GT350 ( which is a shame) and most of these things are options but it's the trajectory of Ford that is concerning. Save the R&D costs and manufacturing costs on lots of tech options and just produce a powerful, simple, fun MUSCLE CAR

If Ford did what you suggested, the Mustang would’ve been discontinued by now.

 

[bootlegger]

What I find funny, is the people who are on this forum who claim the Mustang has moved too up-market, would be in here complaining that Ford isn't innovating and lagging behind the competition if it didn't have these upmarket features.

Don't forget, the market is what drives Ford to make many of its business decisions regarding what goes into a vehicle. We already know from the more recent Lincoln brand, that Ford knows how to truly make a luxury car, and if they wanted to Mustang to compete with Audi/Merc, it could do that. However, the Mustang cannot exist in a universe of its own and must move with the trend. Cars are getting safer, faster, more efficient and as a result more expensive no doubt.

I think it's always a good idea to take a step back and have a bit of perspective as the enthusiast certainly does generate a lot of buzz, but we don't make Ford's bottom line. The mass consumer who wants a good looking, sporty car and don't want to pay BMW or Porsche to get one.

Also, don't ever forget, the golden rule. More Mustang sales = more innovation all around. Without the success of the S550 EcoBoost Mustang, Ford moving the Mustang overseas, and making it a more competitive car, we wouldn't have a 10-speed 460 horsepower Mustang about to do 2000s supercar 0-60 times. It's all about perspective.

Agreed. When I look at the polls for Mustang orders, I see a majority are going for the Premium Pack. While this group doesn't really represent the whole market, it is pretty clear that there is a large market for the loaded vehicles.

 

[w3rkn]

I don't think many here understand the point.
It doesn't matter if you spend $32k or $45k on a Camaro, you are still getting a Camaro !!


I don't know anyone who buys their Cars based on paper performance alone. Driving a Camaro, sells a Mustang. They are day & night.

 

[marks]

What I find funny, is the people who are on this forum who claim the Mustang has moved too up-market, would be in here complaining that Ford isn't innovating and lagging behind the competition if it didn't have these upmarket features.

Don't forget, the market is what drives Ford to make many of its business decisions regarding what goes into a vehicle. We already know from the more recent Lincoln brand, that Ford knows how to truly make a luxury car, and if they wanted to Mustang to compete with Audi/Merc, it could do that. However, the Mustang cannot exist in a universe of its own and must move with the trend. Cars are getting safer, faster, more efficient and as a result more expensive no doubt.

I think it's always a good idea to take a step back and have a bit of perspective as the enthusiast certainly does generate a lot of buzz, but we don't make Ford's bottom line. The mass consumer who wants a good looking, sporty car and don't want to pay BMW or Porsche to get one.

Also, don't ever forget, the golden rule. More Mustang sales = more innovation all around. Without the success of the S550 EcoBoost Mustang, Ford moving the Mustang overseas, and making it a more competitive car, we wouldn't have a 10-speed 460 horsepower Mustang about to do 2000s supercar 0-60 times. It's all about perspective.

Yes, i foolishly believed that Mustang drivers were people that wanted a drivers car, when in fact they were secret Audi drivers with their 10 speed and adaptive suspension but with less money.

 

[Roadway 5.0]

Actually a Prius can hold its own in a part throttle race with an Ecoboost S550.

[MENTION=20679]HoosierDaddy[/MENTION]

LOL!

 

[superman07]

I don't claim to be an insider for Chevy, but as a publicly traded company, their financial details are not all that difficult to decode. Actually, it's much hard for a non-publically traded company to hide financials.

If you can provide some evidence otherwise of Chevy's profit margin OR the fact that a company could not survive on a 6-7% profit margin, please let me know. ExxonMobil, for example, is the most profitable company in the world and operates on a 6% margin. https://ycharts.com/companies/XOM/profit_margin
https://ycharts.com/companies/GM/profit_margin

Are you serious. Comparing oil and gas to auto, bye junior.

 

[codemanstang]

until ford gets the mustangs fit and finish much more improved I wouldn't buy these new at 40k. Now at 28 or so i can deal with all the annoyances

 

[thehunterooo]

I don't think many here understand the point.
It doesn't matter if you spend $32k or $45k on a Camaro, you are still getting a Camaro !!


I don't know anyone who buys their Cars based on paper performance alone. Driving a Camaro, sells a Mustang. They are day & night.

You don't know anyone? I can send you a link if you want :amen:

 

[Rinzler]

Are you serious. Comparing oil and gas to auto, bye junior.

Bud, please take a look at the second link. That is for GM, which is at 4.49% by the way. I was making a point that a 6-7% profit margin is common even among the highest earning companies, chief.

 

[Rinzler]

Yes, i foolishly believed that Mustang drivers were people that wanted a drivers car, when in fact they were secret Audi drivers with their 10 speed and adaptive suspension but with less money.

Driver's car? Mustang? Since when?

There are variants which can be considered driver's cars. The BOSS 302, GT350/R, but not the GT. Never has been a driver's car. You would even be stretching to call it a sports car. Hell, I drive one and I know it's not a drivers car.

 

[BmacIL]

Driver's car? Mustang? Since when?

There are variants which can be considered driver's cars. The BOSS 302, GT350/R, but not the GT. Never has been a driver's car. You would even be stretching to call it a sports car. Hell, I drive one and I know it's not a drivers car.

The GT PP is far more a driver's car than any previous Mustang GT. Have you driven one?

 

[marks]

Driver's car? Mustang? Since when?

There are variants which can be considered driver's cars. The BOSS 302, GT350/R, but not the GT. Never has been a driver's car. You would even be stretching to call it a sports car. Hell, I drive one and I know it's not a drivers car.

The GT350 is of course the ultimate drivers car but I still think the GT as it stands is a drivers car compared to the competition.

 

[w3rkn]

You don't know anyone? I can send you a link if you want :amen:

Correct, I live in Detroit and do not know anyone who owns a Camaro. I don't know anyone who would want to...

It is more for the :mullet: crowd, who wants to own a transformer Yo!

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