Take note, Ford....

[Strokerswild]

....you're dorking it with all the '18 price hikes:

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a11808079/chevrolet-camaro-ss-base/

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[marks]

Yep, the market wants performance simplicity from a muscle car, leave the 10 speeds/magnerides/digital dashes to Audi/Merc etc.

 

[Kevin08]

....you're dorking it with all the '18 price hikes:

http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/future-cars/a11808079/chevrolet-camaro-ss-base/

The article itself says the cheapest V8 Camaro you can buy is $38k where the cheapest V8 Mustang you can buy is $35k.

So...yeah, they are going to do a gutted down model to compete with the base Mustang GT price of $35k.

 

[NoVaGT]

Yep, the market wants performance simplicity from a muscle car, leave the 10 speeds/magnerides/digital dashes to Audi/Merc etc.

The Mustang is not now, and never was, a "Muscle Car".

For the love of God, please get that straight.

 

[bootlegger]

Yep, the market wants performance simplicity from a muscle car, leave the 10 speeds/magnerides/digital dashes to Audi/Merc etc.

All the things you mentioned are options.

 

[1320']

The article itself says the cheapest V8 Camaro you can buy is $38k where the cheapest V8 Mustang you can buy is $35k.

So...yeah, they are going to do a gutted down model to compete with the base Mustang GT price of $35k.

If you're going to round the Camaro up to $38,000 (37,995), it's only fair to state the Mustang GT starts at $36,000 (35,995) since the $35,000 figure is without destination.

 

[TomcatDriver]

The Mustang is not now, and never was, a "Muscle Car".

For the love of God, please get that straight.

Don't get pedantic. There is no official arbiter of what exactly is a "muscle car" but if you go to the dictionary you get "any of a group of American-made 2-door sports cars with powerful engines designed for high-performance driving."

Now somebody is going to say "it's not a sports car, it's a pony car" or something like that. All those terms - sports car, pony car, muscle car, are circles on a Venn diagram, and there is significant overlap in meaning. There are some things everyone can agree on - a Mustang is not a pickup truck. A Prius is not a muscle car.

 

[jasonstang]

Given how poorly the Camaros are being sold, they kinda have to make a cheap model.

 

[Kevin08]

If you're going to round the Camaro up to $38,000 (37,995), it's only fair to state the Mustang GT starts at $36,000 (35,995) since the $35,000 figure is without destination.

I didn't round anything, I used the figures provided by R&T.

 

[HoosierDaddy]

There are some things everyone can agree on - a Mustang is not a pickup truck. A Prius is not a muscle car.

Actually a Prius can hold its own in a part throttle race with an Ecoboost S550.

 

[crs2879]

"But, but Camaro" is getting long in the tooth.....'17 "lame duck" Mustang still outsold '17 Camaro "refresh". Secondary market (used) prices for Camaros is lower. GT350 is in 4th production year and just getting to the point of selling at MSRP or slightly less....350R pricing still insane. Z/28 was a flop. '17 ZL1 already discounted (save the ZL1/1LE comments. Too early to tell. Yes, I've read the reviews, still don't care).

Personally, I wouldn't drive a Camaro if you gave it to me.......but that's just me.

 

[TomcatDriver]

The problem that Mustang and Camaro are both having is that they are encroaching into the next perceived echelon of vehicles. The price difference between even a moderately equipped Mustang/Camaro is into BMW/Audi/Lexus/Infinity territory, albeit with lower baseline performance. If I am a typical market demographic (which I am) as either a young professional with few obligations and disposable income, or I am a mid-life with kids out of the house and disposable income looking for a "fun" car for a change, these are actually reasonable cross-shopping considerations. Below $40K performance options are pretty limited, however once I get in the mid $40K range the competition really expands dramatically. A heavily optioned Mustang/Camaro over $50K has a lot of really excellent competition, including some pretty primo low-mileage high-end vehicles.

 

[TomcatDriver]

Actually a Prius can hold its own in a part throttle race with an Ecoboost S550.

Well, that depends on what part, the bottom part or the top part?

 

[Mr.Zergling]

The problem that Mustang and Camaro are both having is that they are encroaching into the next perceived echelon of vehicles. The price difference between even a moderately equipped Mustang/Camaro is into BMW/Audi/Lexus/Infinity territory, albeit with lower baseline performance. If I am a typical market demographic (which I am) as either a young professional with few obligations and disposable income, or I am a mid-life with kids out of the house and disposable income looking for a "fun" car for a change, these are actually reasonable cross-shopping considerations. Below $40K performance options are pretty limited, however once I get in the mid $40K range the competition really expands dramatically. A heavily optioned Mustang/Camaro over $50K has a lot of really excellent competition, including some pretty primo low-mileage high-end vehicles.

I don't know why this is a problem. The joke in my friend circle is that my mustang is my "entry level BMW", but the value and fun for dollar is a lot higher for a (new) $40k mustang than a (new) $40k BMW imho

 

[crs2879]

Actually a Prius can hold its own in a part throttle race with an Ecoboost S550.

And a Tesla can, theoretically, beat a Ferrari 488 0-60......but who'd take a Tesla over a 488?

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