Supercharger downfalls?

[Barrel]

I have already answered this question just a few posts above.

We do testing to temperatures down to -40 degrees.
Our blowers do not care about cold temps.

Just because I really want to beat this dead horse and be sure we're all talking about the same thing... Cold cranking the the ProCharger in subzero weather should be no issue? Would really suck to detroy my head unit because I left the car out over night and had to drive it in the morning.

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[Kbreese]

How does the Procharger do in sub-freezing temps? My car is my daily and I'm not going to park it just because it's cold. Beefcake mentioned Paxton/Vortech doesn't recommend driving in very cold temps.

Seriously? It's been as low as -5 here in NY the past few days, and we've seen a lot of single digit's for months now. All this time I am driving my car to work, so that would definitely be a major concern. I wonder what in particular about their blowers has a problem with very cold temps.

 

[ProChargerTECH]

How does the Procharger do in sub-freezing temps? My car is my daily and I'm not going to park it just because it's cold. Beefcake mentioned Paxton/Vortech doesn't recommend driving in very cold temps.

We can't do that testing in house, however there are testing facilities that we use for our industrial division, that have "HOT and "COLD" rooms that can simulate pretty much any climate on earth, and beyond.

Gotta remember nearly all plane de-icing equipment has a ProCharger or Inovair blower strapped to it, de-icing planes in sub zero temperatures. And those buggers get USED!

OLD VIDEO, but still you get the point. Next time you are at an airport, and you see a plane getting de-iced, chances are we helped make that happen.

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[Kbreese]

Gotta remember nearly all plane de-icing equipment has a ProCharger or Inovair blower strapped to it

Gotta remember? Heck I never knew that. That's pretty cool.

Seems you guys are blowing everyone!

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[ProChargerTECH]

Gotta remember? Heck I never knew that. That's pretty cool.

Seems you guys are blowing everyone!

:lol:

We have "ProChargers" on a LOT more things then you would ever realize thanks to the Inovair division. ;)

 

[TorkN8R]

Okay so I see the hype on the supercharger but i don't know much about them . I know a lot about cars just not much about superchargers.I use the car as a DD so how much would this shorten the life of the car ? potential problems? what will i need to upgrade before ?camshafts etc?

So back to the OP. It seems to be the general conscience that the long life of a Supercharged motor is a GOOD TUNE. everyone agrees with that premise.

My question is this...If the tune that comes with the FRPP/Roush SC, or the Whipple SC , or ProCharger are set up from those manufacturers and they are what most of you guys would consider to be a CONSERVATIVE TUNE, does that automatically make them a BAD tune?

People keep posting that it's imperitive that you get a good tune with your SC. Why aren't those tunes any good? Why do we have to get another tune? Why do they come with a tune if they are BAD tunes.

I'm not suggesting that they are, it just seems like most people are suggesting that First you get the SC that you want and then get a different tune then the one it came with. What gives?

I mean who's going to buy a $5,000 to 8,000 SC and then get a tune from Vern's Auto SC tuneing Inc.

 

[Kbreese]

People keep posting that it's imperitive that you get a good tune with your SC. Why aren't those tunes any good? Why do we have to get another tune? Why do they come with a tune if they are BAD tunes.

I'm not suggesting that they are, it just seems like most people are suggesting that First you get the SC that you want and then get a different tune then the one it came with. What gives?

They way I interpret it, is not that they are saying the included tunes are bad, but that if you get someone else to tune it, to make sure they know what they are doing.

 

[Barrel]

They way I interpret it, is not that they are saying the included tunes are bad, but that if you get someone else to tune it, to make sure they know what they are doing.

I'm going to have my car custom tuned since ProCharger isn't reading the dials on my car while it's on the rollers. Will the tune be safe from ProCharger? Yeah, probably. But I'd rather have an expert live and in person watching the AFR, watching for knock, monitoring boost, etc. while my car is on the dyno, in the moment.

A few hundred dollars on a custom dyno tune is worth for me to be sure that my tune is safe and right for my specific car with my specific mods.

 

[evo8904]

I'm going to have my car custom tuned since ProCharger isn't reading the dials on my car while it's on the rollers. Will the tune be safe from ProCharger? Yeah, probably. But I'd rather have an expert live and in person watching the AFR, watching for knock, monitoring boost, etc. while my car is on the dyno, in the moment.

A few hundred dollars on a custom dyno tune is worth for me to be sure that my tune is safe and right for my specific car with my specific mods.

A custom tune is always a good choice.

 

[ProChargerTECH]

I'm going to have my car custom tuned since ProCharger isn't reading the dials on my car while it's on the rollers. Will the tune be safe from ProCharger? Yeah, probably. But I'd rather have an expert live and in person watching the AFR, watching for knock, monitoring boost, etc. while my car is on the dyno, in the moment.

A few hundred dollars on a custom dyno tune is worth for me to be sure that my tune is safe and right for my specific car with my specific mods.

Your car has two onboard widebands, and active knock sensors.
All of these functions are left turned on in our tune.

So the car will run the AFR that we tell it to
And if it did have knock, it would be able to pull timing as intended.

Some tuners turn off those functions. We leave them there.
Just a heads up.

 

[Barrel]

Your car has two onboard widebands, and active knock sensors.
All of these functions are left turned on in our tune.

So the car will run the AFR that we tell it to
And if it did have knock, it would be able to pull timing as intended.

Some tuners turn off those functions. We leave them there.
Just a heads up.

I'm a big fan of ProCharger, but let's be honest here. If my car is knocking and pulling timing, damage (however minor) is being done and my motor is reacting to prevent further damage. I'm not saying your tune will cause knock, but it's literally impossible for you to guarantee that your canned tune will work perfectly with my specific motor with my specific modifications to meet my specific performance and safety goals.

Like I said, it's out of an abundance of caution. I'm sure that most people would be just fine with the canned tune.

I guess it should be said, anyone that throws the canned tune away should be sure they're taking it to someone who knows what they're doing and specializes in Mustangs. Just so happens I know a guy...

 

[ProChargerTECH]

I'm a big fan of ProCharger, but let's be honest here. If my car is knocking and pulling timing, damage (however minor) is being done and my motor is reacting to prevent further damage. I'm not saying your tune will cause knock, but it's literally impossible for you to guarantee that your canned tune will work perfectly with my specific motor with my specific modifications to meet my specific performance and safety goals.

Our tunes are designed on STOCK cars. So you are correct if you have modifications who knows what that will do to the tune, and yes it should be double checked at that point.

HOWEVER, with active widebands that can add or subtract over 25% worth of fuel, the AFRs will be exactly what we tell them to be. And with active knock sensors turned on for the entire power range of the car, there is little to zero chance you would ever "hear" knock, since the car would have long since already been removing timing.

These Coyotes are FAR more advanced then something like a GM or Dodge.

Like I said, it's out of an abundance of caution. I'm sure that most people would be just fine with the canned tune.

They do love them. Since there are SO many customers of ours that live in the middle of now where, that are easy half day drives or more to the nearest dyno. (let alone tuner) So we make sure the tune is safe yet powerful for the "average" customer to enjoy for years and years.

I guess it should be said, anyone that throws the canned tune away should be sure they're taking it to someone who knows what they're doing and specializes in Mustangs. Just so happens I know a guy...

Amen

 

[95cobby]

Our tunes are designed on STOCK cars. So you are correct if you have modifications who knows what that will do to the tune, and yes it should be double checked at that point.

So would it be a good idea to go with a custom tune if you have full exhaust (LT's and Catback)?

 

[Evolvd]

It's always a good idea to get a custom tune...unless you are unable to.

 

[13JFP]

The single biggest problem of driving a blower car with over 500-600 horsepower is this. You will never be satisfied driving something without that kind of power. It's like a drug. Once you try it you are spoiled forever.

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