Steering wheel mode

[Wyzz Kydd]

You can't lock them in independently?

For example, throttle response -sport, suspension -track, steering -sport, exhaust -track?

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[Bikeman315]

You can't lock them in independently?

For example, throttle response -sport, suspension -track, steering -sport, exhaust -track?

Well yes, three out of the four anyway. And only if have Mymode.

 

[Vlad Soare]

You can't lock them in independently?

For example, throttle response -sport, suspension -track, steering -sport, exhaust -track?

Not entirely. The suspension cannot be separated from the drive mode. I used to think the steering can't either, but apparently it can sometimes, depending on the trim level.

You can use any exhaust mode in any drive mode.
You cannot select a suspension mode independently of the drive mode. The drive mode will always dictate the suspension mode.
In some vehicles, like Ira's, you can use any steering mode with any drive mode. In others, like mine, you can use any steering mode in the Normal or Wet/Snow drive modes, but in Sport+ or Track the steering defaults to Sport and cannot be changed.

 

[brucelinc]

I don't have Magneride but I can choose any combination of drive mode, exhaust and steering. 2018 401a model.

 

[Matthewstorm]

MyMode is Sport+, Exhaust Track. All the time.

 

[switchlanez]

Sport has the most artificially synthesized steering weight with the most lag/latency in steering response and, thus, the least performance oriented.

Normal suffers the same problems, just not as bad.

Comfort steering has the most direct feel and response and, thus, is most performance oriented.

savagegeese pointed this out here:



Then I confirmed it in mine with way more violent and rapid changes of direction. The difference is obvious and absolutely annoying. People blindly follow convention set by old school sports cars with no power steering thinking more steering effort = performance. But this Mustang just gives you all the drawbacks of heavier steering and none of the benefits lol. Worse than artificial engine noise because it actually hinders performance.

 

[Bikeman315]

Sport has the most artificially synthesized steering weight with the most lag/latency in steering response and, thus, the least performance oriented.

Normal suffers the same problems, just not as bad.

Comfort steering has the most direct feel and response and, thus, is most performance oriented.

savagegeese pointed this out here:



Then I confirmed it in mine with way more violent and rapid changes of direction. The difference is obvious and absolutely annoying. People blindly follow convention set by old school sports cars with no power steering thinking more steering effort = performance. But this Mustang just gives you all the drawbacks of heavier steering and none of the benefits lol. Worse than artificial engine noise because it actually hinders performance.

Everyone has their own preferences for the steering setting. A lot also depends on what under the hood and wheels & tires. Remember we have electric steering and also not to confuse effort with feel.

 

[switchlanez]

Everyone has their own preferences for the steering setting. A lot also depends on what under the hood and wheels & tires. Remember we have electric steering and also not to confuse effort with feel.

I would understand different preferences for steering effort. But I'm not talking preference of effort nor am I faulting feel. If you turn the steering wheel but the wheels don't turn until some added latency, that's objectively steering dysfunction. Nothing to do with effort or feel. Steering should steer with the same minimal latency in all modes. Instead, Ford broke the steering function by increasing built-in time latencies.

The point I'm trying to hammer home is the perceptive lag when you turn the wheel. If 1) Sport and Normal take more time to respond to steering input and if 2) response time is everything for safety, then Sport and Normal are categorically less safe, thus, dysfunctional vs Comfort. Unless people prefer less safe and less functional steering?

It's like when you push the brake or gas (also electronic or "by wire" nowadays), would people actually prefer them to do nothing until a fraction of a second after pressing them? And then increase that delay as you go to Normal or Sport? I guess making it harder to press would be a matter of preference to feel sporty but don't conflate that with adding delay. How is adding delay even sporty?

It increases steering effort (I understand that's a matter of preference) but also increases lag. I don't see any advantage or why people would prefer the latter.

 

[Vlad Soare]

If you turn the steering wheel but the wheels don't turn until some added latency, that's objectively steering dysfunction. Nothing to do with effort or feel.

I agree. There should be no latency.
However, I do not feel anything like this in my GT, in any of the steering modes.
I usually keep the steering in Sport because I do not like the overly assisted, Nintendo-like feeling of Normal or Comfort. Even in Sport the slightest move of the steering wheel will instantly cause the car to steer - I've just checked that.
What you describe isn't necessarily caused by the steering rack. It could be the tires. Or, more likely, an alignment issue.

 

[switchlanez]

I agree. There should be no latency.
However, I do not feel anything like this in my GT, in any of the steering modes.
I usually keep the steering in Sport because I do not like the overly assisted, Nintendo-like feeling of Normal or Comfort. Even in Sport the slightest move of the steering wheel will instantly cause the car to steer - I've just checked that.
What you describe isn't necessarily caused by the steering rack. It could be the tires. Or, more likely, an alignment issue.

I don't feel it when I do one turn. Try oscillating it left/right like savagegeese did. But do bigger turns jerking in both directions more frequently (violently). The harder and faster you do it, the more the difference becomes obvious. If you just do one quick turn, then you can't tell. Just like I could never tell the difference in my first few months of owning the car and driving only in Sport mode. Until I did that test.

All that was from when I bought it new. Never had any issues, nothing has been broken nor has steering gotten increasingly worse in the 5 years/50k miles since I drove it off the lot with 7 miles on the odo and factory tires plus I've had new tires since then, no change. Everything is still in alignment and on stock suspension. The different modes seem to work as designed as I confirmed steering effort increases when I change modes. Ford techs will say there is nothing wrong, and I would agree, there is nothing wrong because the modes work as designed. My problem is the design itself is wrong.

 

[Vlad Soare]

I don't feel it when I do one turn. Try oscillating it left/right like savagegeese did.

Yes, that's exactly what I did. And I couldn't feel anything wrong.
But maybe I should have done it more violently. I will try again.

 

[Skye]

I began using Sport steering for the first time this weekend and liked it.

For "regular" driving, I could feel subtle changes, a general increase in firmness.

Where I could tell the most difference, and I expected this, was in situations involving more and greater steering input from me.

For example, getting into the hills and mountain areas this weekend, one situation I encountered was going downhill, pitching in a L-R-L fashion. As I entered this series of turns, the steering input and feedback was noticeably different, in a good way.

I saw the difference in modes as being progressive. Situations involving greatest changes in steering resulted in greatest differences in steering effort, when using Sport mode; it was normal mode, amplified.

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