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Tire inflation should always be checked cold.

Also to note, the VCL decal will always have correct tire pressures for both front and rear, even if the car is sitting on “squares”.

The most common tire psi is usually between 32 or 33 psi as indicated on the VCL - and that’s pretty common whether it’s an 18” or 19” diameter OR an All Season or “Summer Only” tire.

Folks can post their VCL’s all day long on here and state what their own tires are inflated to - but it’s not going to fix anything.

What’s your actual alignment specs - can you post the last alignment sheet (if you have even one)?

Has the rear IRS cradle ever been centered using the many aftermarket bushings available to center it? It’s a well known issue since the S550 debuted that on some, the rear IRS cradle is not centered from the assembly line. Any such misalignment of that cradle will affect wheel alignments and in extreme instances, vehicle handling.

Over inflating any tire - doesn’t matter if it’s yours, mine or JimBobBettySue’s to 40psi is asking for trouble

1) it’s not correcting any underlying issues as mentioned by others. All that is doing is ballooning the tire contact patch on the road surface, making what was a wider patch smaller.

2) It’s dangerous. Tire psi increases with prolonged driving (heat). You’re essentially starting with a tire at 40psi and as it heats, that psi can increase as high as 45-47psi depending on road surface type, length of driving and actual exterior road surface temps. If you have ever watched the tire psi monitoring, you will see the psi rise as you drive to a point where it normally will “bottom out” based on averages. This is why Vehicle AND Tire Manufacturers post a COLD psi value of 32psi. Essentially, after driving that cold PSI will get to 35-38psi again depending on the above conditions.

3) As much as it “feels better” to you and what your Mechanic has told you - 40psi is excessive, dangerous and will cause premature tire wear.

Check your front and rear wheel hub bearings. It’s been reported many times on this site that S550 owners across all years and platforms have had to replace hub bearings due to premature wear, even with extremely low mileage. Some folks have even reported having the same side wheel hub replaced 2 and 3x under warranty. Bad hub bearings will also cause weird handling characteristics and alignment issues.

One more note to leave on:
Don’t trash other forum members - isn’t there enough animosity on this planet without having to continue it in a forum? Sure interpreting a written response can be misconstrued, but I don’t think anyone on here deserved the responses you dished - everyone has a different way of making a point and folks are genuinely trying to offer the help. The advice given to you by your mechanic is covering up underlying issues whatever those may be... deflate back down to a cold psi of 33psi.
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A couple of thoughts, just because I'm bored...

Tire pressure recommendations are cold pressure, right? So, if he's pushing up closer to 40 hot, it's a good bit lower cold and probably has been driving around underinflated. I was running my own ~35 hot but once I bought a cordless inflator and filled them to 35 cold, they ran around 39/40 hot.

Second, the most telling thing to me was that his mechanic drove the car and said it seemed fine.
I'm guessing the underinflation made the car tramline just a bit, definitely more so than it did on the original, skinnier tires. OP is hypersensitive to it, but it's not abnormal just not what he was used to originally. Properly inflating the tire corrected the issue, better tires (eventually) and proper inflation are the best course of action.
I will check later on what they show as cold, I don’t know where they are at right now but I do know they ran at around 39 hot the other day when I went for a drive.
mechanic did drive the car and did feel the pulling into ruts and what not but didn’t feel anything wrong with suspension or anything he noticed that could be the culprit. Looked underneath as well and checked alignment all good.
yes, I agree. I am hypersensitive to it but at one point it was becoming aggressive and was an issue with how bad it was tramlining. Never felt it in original tires. I do agree that the pirellis are the issue as someone else posted other vehicles with same tires having same issue. I think though that they will be ok until they wear out if I can keep them hovered around 35ish. In hindsight I should have just added some air and seen what happened but it really felt like something bigger was going on because I’ve never had a car tramline or Pull me around like it did. Thanks for the feedback.
 

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Tire inflation should always be checked cold.

Also to note, the VCL decal will always have correct tire pressures for both front and rear, even if the car is sitting on “squares”.

The most common tire psi is usually between 32 or 33 psi as indicated on the VCL - and that’s pretty common whether it’s an 18” or 19” diameter OR an All Season or “Summer Only” tire.

Folks can post their VCL’s all day long on here and state what their own tires are inflated to - but it’s not going to fix anything.

What’s your actual alignment specs - can you post the last alignment sheet (if you have even one)?

Has the rear IRS cradle ever been centered using the many aftermarket bushings available to center it? It’s a well known issue since the S550 debuted that on some, the rear IRS cradle is not centered from the assembly line. Any such misalignment of that cradle will affect wheel alignments and in extreme instances, vehicle handling.

Over inflating any tire - doesn’t matter if it’s yours, mine or JimBobBettySue’s to 40psi is asking for trouble

1) it’s not correcting any underlying issues as mentioned by others. All that is doing is ballooning the tire contact patch on the road surface, making what was a wider patch smaller.

2) It’s dangerous. Tire psi increases with prolonged driving (heat). You’re essentially starting with a tire at 40psi and as it heats, that psi can increase as high as 45-47psi depending on road surface type, length of driving and actual exterior road surface temps. If you have ever watched the tire psi monitoring, you will see the psi rise as you drive to a point where it normally will “bottom out” based on averages. This is why Vehicle AND Tire Manufacturers post a COLD psi value of 32psi. Essentially, after driving that cold PSI will get to 35-38psi again depending on the above conditions.

3) As much as it “feels better” to you and what your Mechanic has told you - 40psi is excessive, dangerous and will cause premature tire wear.

Check your front and rear wheel hub bearings. It’s been reported many times on this site that S550 owners across all years and platforms have had to replace hub bearings due to premature wear, even with extremely low mileage. Some folks have even reported having the same side wheel hub replaced 2 and 3x under warranty. Bad hub bearings will also cause weird handling characteristics and alignment issues.

One more note to leave on:
Don’t trash other forum members - isn’t there enough animosity on this planet without having to continue it in a forum? Sure interpreting a written response can be misconstrued, but I don’t think anyone on here deserved the responses you dished - everyone has a different way of making a point and folks are genuinely trying to offer the help. The advice given to you by your mechanic is covering up underlying issues whatever those may be... deflate back down to a cold psi of 33psi.
Always appreciate your advice and insight CJ! :clap: :rockon:
 

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I will check later on what they show as cold, I don’t know where they are at right now but I do know they ran at around 39 hot the other day when I went for a drive.
mechanic did drive the car and did feel the pulling into ruts and what not but didn’t feel anything wrong with suspension or anything he noticed that could be the culprit. Looked underneath as well and checked alignment all good.
yes, I agree. I am hypersensitive to it but at one point it was becoming aggressive and was an issue with how bad it was tramlining. Never felt it in original tires. I do agree that the pirellis are the issue as someone else posted other vehicles with same tires having same issue. I think though that they will be ok until they wear out if I can keep them hovered around 35ish. In hindsight I should have just added some air and seen what happened but it really felt like something bigger was going on because I’ve never had a car tramline or Pull me around like it did. Thanks for the feedback.
I find I have to always do the following:

1. Whenever I visit a tire shop, recheck the tire pressure. They rarely get it right.
2. Whenever I have an oil change, recheck the level. Too many times they over or under fill. The only time I have someone else do my oil is when they come with the car. On two cars, Toyota overfilled the oil 7 out of 8 visits. Ford, on my baby's first 1000 mile change, underfilled it by 2 quarts.

Both of these I check cold and , for the oil, time to drain down fully.
 
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All cars pull right or left with road imperfections. It can't be avoided.

Cars with performance/lower profile tires, will exhibit this more.
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