Side by Side header test, same car same day! SW & ARH!

[bobc775]

With all of ARH CS let them know that you've already spend $1200 on a catback system and would like to have your headers connect to the stock connection point of your catbacks. It seems they have no desire to help. They'd rather have you scrap parts of your $1200 investment and spend even more on their solution. It looks like a nice product but not a great solution for all of us.

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[Mikeiscoo2]

I disagree. The SW vs ARH catback systems, the ARH was only $100 more. ARH gets the edge, even $100 more expensive

were talking about Headers here not Catbacks and their headers are 500 dollars more. with the coupon code at AM the SW comes out to 1078. the ARH is 1567

 

[Blk2015GT]

With all of ARH CS let them know that you've already spend $1200 on a catback system and would like to have your headers connect to the stock connection point of your catbacks. It seems they have no desire to help. They'd rather have you scrap parts of your $1200 investment and spend even more on their solution. It looks like a nice product but not a great solution for all of us.

BS they already offered to make me some if I wanted to to connect to their catback.

They've posted on the forum they will build you a set to match your catback; every catback is basically the same 2.5" pipe connection to the factory cats; whether it is a 2.5 or 3" system back. They have no bias what catback you're using.

 

[bobc775]

Sorry but it looks like you already have ARH H-pipe Catback's

 

[Blk2015GT]

Sorry but it looks like you already have ARH H-pipe Catback's

It doesn't matter. Catback is catback. The piping necks down to 2.5" to connect to the factory cats (the "bottleneck" piping from the collector to the catback actually) no matter what catback you're using.

The ARH comes with an X or H with the headers so it's just a matter of getting your system connected to the ARH's X or H. You cannot use a catback X or H because there is no place for the O2 sensors when you scrap the stock cats/headers- the holes beyond the 2nd clamp in the below pic. Your catback X or H wont have that which you need to put the rear O2 sensors- they aren't build for that.

All you would do is connect the axleback portion of your catback to those back clamps below. You do not need your catback's X or H.

SW's rear O2 sensors, for contrast, is on what would be the between the clamps piece below instead of the crossover, letting you use a catback crossover (X/H)

 

[bobc775]

I understand and agree with most of what you've said. But I don't want to chop up my current catbacks to connect to ARH headers. I know SW has a part numbered header that will bolt on.

 

[1320']

IMO...one thing to remember in the ARH/SW choice is one company developed and supplies the headers for the Cobra Jet/ Drag Pak and COPO programs...

And it wasn't SW. Not dogging the company, but there is sometimes a very very good reason for the price gaps.

 

[Blk2015GT]

I understand and agree with most of what you've said. But I don't want to chop up my current catbacks to connect to ARH headers. I know SW has a part numbered header that will bolt on.

Of course. This is not a one size fit all solution. If you use your current catback and its 2.5" then you're stuck with a factory connect header with a smaller collecter that is 2.5" from the collector to mufflers. That's SW's factory connect.

ARH, yes you scrap your catback X or H, but you get 3" all the way back from the header collector to the mufflers. PS you don't hack it up, every catback has separation after the X/H to the axleback/muffler portion that's clamped together.

If you already have a catback you can use the below system.

They will even build the below system to connect to ANY catback out there. They publicly announced it in a thread 2 pages or so.

were talking about Headers here not Catbacks and their headers are 500 dollars more. with the coupon code at AM the SW comes out to 1078. the ARH is 1567

The below system to connect to a catback and are $1550/1600 full price on Beef's site. The SW are $1150 full price. I am sure they are much closer discounted than $500; they are only 400-450 full price difference. Kooks are also $1500 full price. You get what you pay for at the end of the day and there is a reason SW is $400 cheaper than everyone else, and its not the goodness of their heart.


Again everyone choose what you want. ARH makes a more quality product IMO; just look at the cut welds above. I'd pay extra to have a "more quality" product that wont split on extra welds (while will be taking off headers, replacing if you can get a hold of SW even, and re-installing. On a buy once item, $300-400 should not be a factor.

 

[Laztug]

I went with ARH, can't wait to hear my 5.0 breathe.

 

[bobc775]

Blk2015GT, I have Magnaflow 3" cats. My first choice for headers was ARH but failed to find a setup that worked with my cats. So are you suggesting that if I call ARH directly and that they will make a setup that will work with my Cats?

 

[Blk2015GT]

PM them here they will respond with a solution. There are more than what some of these retailers have on their sites. All of these shops make custom setups for race cars etc. and will build whatever you want.

I'm pretty sure that last pic I posted is what you are looking for. That is specifically for aftermarket catbacks, called the "bottleneck eliminator" headers.

X http://www.teambeefcakeracing.com/mtc515178300bexnc.html
H http://www.teambeefcakeracing.com/mtc515178300behnc.html

$1565/$1640 full price respectively without any discounts.

 

[ARHeaders]

I think both companies make a quality product.

These are my thoughts.

If your doing a full perf connect system, Either company is a great option.

If you are planning on running an aftermarket cat back, I'd lean toward the SW.

If you are planning on running the stock exhaust or an axle back, I'd lean toward the arh.

IMO you def want to get rid of the can. Decide what your plans are for th back end of the exhaust, and that is where you make your decision at.

That way you don't end up with a Frankenstein system with 3 or 4 different companies of parts mixed in.

All of these usa made companies put a lot of time and effort into these system. They use great material to put out a quality product. And they back that product for the life of the time it's on the car vs 1 or 2 years like a lot of places.

Beef,

We have most of the catbacks sorted now and can add the appropriate length pipe to mate up our "Bottleneck Eliminator" perfectly to the aftermarket catbacks.

We could whip-up a "direct bolt-on" system, but found the 2.25" factory connection INSANE to keep in place, it goes against the grain of the premise and foundation of the ARH design, NO Compromise.

 

[Blk2015GT]

There ya go mouth of the horse ^

 

[Mikeiscoo2]

So if I asked you guys to make me headers that would direct fit to my Corsa extreme double xpipe catback.. you guys could do that?????

 

[A.R. Headers]

So if I asked you guys to make me headers that would direct fit to my Corsa extreme double xpipe catback.. you guys could do that?????

Yes we should be able to though I'm not sure why you need a double X-Pipe. All the scavenging you need is done thru the first X. The second is there to go along for the ride. X-Pipes work with a signal generated by the firing of the cylinders. To maximize the X-Pipes ability to scavenge we've learned long ago that you want to locate the X as close to the engine as possible. Otherwise the X doesn't become effective till your engine is at a higher RPM range. All ARH X-Pipes are located as far forward as possible to improve low and mid range torque. On the 6th Gen it's located right where the 2-1/4" bottleneck is. Why wouldn't you want to do away with the 2-1/4" restriction and at the same time upsize the system to 3" in this critical area? To us it made perfect sense.

Mike PM is a contact number and we'll come up with a solution to mate our 2 systems together. Thanks.
Nick
A.R. Headers.

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