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What is the betting it is one of the original trolls come back to life.

Honestly why join a forum and then just troll - how empty must your life be!
I was thinking the same. Could be round #2 for someone looking for another banned reward to pin to their chest.
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Fall vaccines: Here's what to know about RSV, flu and COVID booster shots, plus when you can get them
RSV (respiratory syncytial virus)
“The RSV vaccine for kids is a monoclonal antibody that is recommended for all children under 8 months of age who are going into their first RSV season,” said Dr. Tina Tan, an infectious disease specialist at Ann & Robert H. Lurie Children’s Hospital.
Two vaccines are now approved for adults over age 60 as well, especially those with chronic medical conditions.
Shots are expected to start by the end of October. The one-shot dose offers protection through the RSV season, which typically runs from November until March.
Flu shots
Flu shots are recommended for everyone over the age of six months, and there’s one big change this year. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention removed precautions for people with egg allergies.
This year’s formula was 52% effective at keeping people out of the hospital in South America, according to the CDC.
“With both flu and COVID vaccine it offers some protection, it offers a lot of protection against severe illness, but we still expect to see some flu and COVID even with vaccinated people, it’s just milder,” said Dr. Julie Holland, vice president of pediatric primary care at Advocate Health Care.

New COVID Boosters
More details about eligibility and availability will likely be released after a CDC advisory committee meets next Tuesday, Sept. 12.
“It is hoped that they will recommend the COVID booster for anyone who wants to receive it, and COVID vaccines can be given to anyone 6 months of age or older,” Tan said.




https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loc...ster-shots-and-when-you-can-get-them/3224021/
 

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U.S. to reopen program sending free COVID tests through the mail
a program mailing free COVID-19 tests to households who request them and is investing $600 million into boosting test manufacturing.
Why it matters: More Americans will again have access to free at-home COVID-19 tests after the expiration of the public health emergency this spring meant many insurers no longer had to fully cover the cost.
  • The announcement comes as COVID hospitalizations have continued creeping up, passing 20,000 for the first time since March, according to ABC News.
Details: Starting Sept. 25, households can order four free tests through COVIDTests.gov.
  • HHS said the tests are intended for use through the end of 2023 and will come with instructions on how people can verify if the tests' expiration date has been extended.
    • The Biden administration said it expects to secure about 200 million tests from its new investments in 12 U.S. manufacturers.
    • Federal health officials last month said they still have a large number of tests in the Strategic National Stockpile, but they did not specify how many remain.
    • The administration has been sending some of those tests to places serving vulnerable populations, such as federally qualified health centers and assisted-living facilities.
    • The Biden administration says it's previously provided more than 755 million at-home tests through its partnership with the U.S. Postal Service.
 
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I've not went through it myself yet, but thought others might find it interesting.

COVID-19 BASICS​
UNDERSTANDING THE COVID-19 PANDEMIC
Insights from Johns Hopkins University Experts
Upon completing this course, you will be able to:
  • Describe characteristics of the COVID-19 disease, including how it is diagnosed and treated
  • Understand the development of the COVID-19 pandemic, and emerging trends throughout the world
  • Discuss societal challenges raised by COVID-19 and opportunities to address them
 

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Wow, what a thread! The reality of COVID is very complex, but can be unravelled with a few facts:

1. Viruses exist in our environment and cannot be seen, heard, smelled, tasted or felt.
2. Some viruses are completely benign, others are lethal, and everything in between.
3. There is only one way to recover from a viral infection - your immune system has to defeat it. Some medications help, vaccines prime your immune system, but that's it.
4. Naturally acquired immunity is much, much more effective than immunity from a vaccine.

So, when you get the COVID (and everyone on the planet will get it eventually) and survive, you will have superior immunity if you never got vaccinated. This is a medical fact that has been largely supressed. Nor do the statistics fully evaluate just how many people got it mildly, and recovered without needing to see a doctor or otherwise reporting it. Because of this, the statistics grossly over estimated death rates.

Another fact that has been supressed is that the COVID respiratory collapse that we are all afraid of looks EXACTLY like what happens to otherwise ill/ older folks who get a strong case of the flu.

COVID is a common-cold related virus that hits you like a strong flu. Note that there is no effective vaccine for the common cold, and this predicts that a COVID vaccine will have very limited benefit. This is indeed the case.

In a free society, every person needs to understand the risks of such a virus, and make decisions about how to protect themselves and others. That includes decisions about social distancing, masks, Ivermectin therapy, vaccines and all the rest. WE DO NOT NEED A GOVERNMENT TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS FOR US.

I have a very direct and personal role in manufacturing the most popular vaccine - anyone who has recieved that vaccine has been touched by my work, and the work of many of my colleagues. I have been vaccinated and boosted with that same vaccine. I have also contracted and recovered from COVID twice. That may be because I was vaccinated, or maybe not.

However, there are some additional facts about the vacvine that have emerged over time. I have already mentioned limited and temporary effectiveness. There are also many reports of myocarditis and other long-term negative consequences of getting these un-proven vaccines.

So for me, additional boosters are not going to happen. I've got strong immunity and I'm fairly healthy. Nor will I adhere to any more government recomendations, mandates, or the like. COVID is out there and it's not going away any time soon - that's just one of a multitude of risks of being alive, and I'm not going to willingly sacrifice quality of life being phobic about getting sick.

I respect each individal's personal choices and wish long, healthy lives for all good people, and good luck with your life's path with respect to COVID.
 

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Wow, what a thread! The reality of COVID is very complex, but can be unravelled with a few facts:

1. Viruses exist in our environment and cannot be seen, heard, smelled, tasted or felt.
2. Some viruses are completely benign, others are lethal, and everything in between.
3. There is only one way to recover from a viral infection - your immune system has to defeat it. Some medications help, vaccines prime your immune system, but that's it.
4. Naturally acquired immunity is much, much more effective than immunity from a vaccine.
Nothing was "unraveled" but okay.

So, when you get the COVID (and everyone on the planet will get it eventually) and survive, you will have superior immunity if you never got vaccinated. This is a medical fact that has been largely supressed.
There are some studies that show having both is superior. But the major fault in your argument is the portion I highlighted. First you have to survive. Although the strains now seem to be milder than the first onset of COVID.

WE DO NOT NEED A GOVERNMENT TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS FOR US.
Unfortunately, we do. Too many nutjobs out there. I'm overall against gov't regulation/interference.

I have been vaccinated and boosted with that same vaccine. I have also contracted and recovered from COVID twice.
You should feel grateful. Some people I knew didn't make it. They caught it before the vac was available. But now you are here basically telling people not to get the vaccine or am I reading your post wrong? Maybe you are saying get the shot if you didn't get covid yet, but don't get the booster if you already caught covid?

Overall I'll stick to scientists vs. some online post. You are correct in some statements and made assumptions in others. It is that weave of truth and non-truth that is dangerous.

It leads to nutjobs like this (we all know where "bleach and sticking glow lights up your rear-end came from -- it is political so we can't go there. Either way, misinformation is the real danger.):


Family Sentenced for Selling Bleach as ‘Miracle’ Covid-19 Cure
Mark Grenon, 66, and three sons used a business masquerading as a church and sold $1 million of an industrial bleach solution that they claimed to be a cure-all, prosecutors said.


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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/06/us/toxic-miracle-mineral-solution-sentencing.html
 
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Hi,
Nothing was "unraveled" but okay.



There are some studies that show having both is superior. But the major fault in your argument is the portion I highlighted. First you have to survive. Although the strains now seem to be milder than the first onset of COVID.



Unfortunately, we do. Too many nutjobs out there. I'm overall against gov't regulation/interference.



You should feel grateful. Some people I knew didn't make it. They caught it before the vac was available. But now you are here basically telling people not to get the vaccine or am I reading your post wrong? Maybe you are saying get the shot if you didn't get covid yet, but don't get the booster if you already caught covid?

Overall I'll stick to scientists vs. some online post. You are correct in some statements and made assumptions in others. It is that weave of truth and non-truth that is dangerous.

It leads to nutjobs like this (we all know where "bleach and sticking glow lights up your rear-end came from -- it is political so we can't go there. Either way, misinformation is the real danger.):


Family Sentenced for Selling Bleach as ‘Miracle’ Covid-19 Cure
Mark Grenon, 66, and three sons used a business masquerading as a church and sold $1 million of an industrial bleach solution that they claimed to be a cure-all, prosecutors said.


06xp-fakecure1-htmq-superJumbo.jpg



https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/06/us/toxic-miracle-mineral-solution-sentencing.html
Thanks for the feedback. I'm not recomnending that anyone do or not do anything. Just trying to provide some perspective and balance, and express where I'm at right now. We've been provided with alot of good COVID info over the years and some bad information. The bad information is slanted from political and economic influences, as you have noted. We need to remain compassionate with each other, respect each and every individual decision, be kind and understanding, and protect our freedoms. The world is skidding sideways somewhat and we will be OK if we support each other. That bleach thing is very concerning, for sure. Thanks again and hang in there.

A couple more thoughts - your feedback is amazing! I lost a stepfather to COVID complications about a year ago. I, too have been touched by COVID in this way. He was fully vaccinated, but seriously ill in other ways and older, so pre-disposed I guess. I really miss him. I also have a friend in his late 70s who refused the vaccine, got COVID twice and survived without serious complications. He is not pre-dispised and is relatively healthy. Who knows the ultimate 'right' answer? Certainly not me. I'm extremely grateful for my situation and that I didnt lose anyone else close to me. I'm also grateful to you and this forum for providing a way to chat with folks who we otherwise wouldn't connect. We need to care about each other - your opinions are perfectly valid and I won't oppose any of your ideas. They're good and I can tell that they come from the heart. Thanks again!
 
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Who knows the ultimate 'right' answer?
The ultimate right answer will come from people who are not nutjobs, people who don't spread misinformation, etc. No matter how it is packaged.

Getting the vaccine saved a lot of lives and allowed us to get back to "normal".

Far as your other comments, one person I personally knew was young, good health (far as everyone knows), young kids/wife, etc. Was one of those "I'm not wearing a mask and not getting the jab since I'm healthy." Well, he got it and didn't make it.

Had he not been in one of those misinformation echo chambers spouting the same comments you are presenting, he might still be here.

My personal observation. You are free to believe whatever you want. You claim to work in the medical field and don't know the right answer. Well.... :like:
 
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I have been vaccinated and boosted with that same vaccine. I have also contracted and recovered from COVID twice. That may be because I was vaccinated, or maybe not.
Would you have been willing to risk finding out if you would've survived without being vaccinated? It's all a matter of what level of risk someone decides to take in life ... like many other things. Would you risk not wearing a seat belt, or risk drinking and driving, etc, etc?
 

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Would you have been willing to risk finding out if you would've survived without being vaccinated? It's all a matter of what level of risk someone decides to take in life ... like many other things. Would you risk not wearing a seat belt, or risk drinking and driving, etc, etc?
I got it and survived. It wasn’t any worse than the flu. Tested positive a few months later with no symptoms. Just got another paid week off of work.
 

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I got it and survived. It wasn’t any worse than the flu. Tested positive a few months later with no symptoms. Just got another paid week off of work.
Everyone's immune system is different, and not everyone will react the same when infected. Only way to know how someone will react is by actually getting infected. Some people won't have much of a bad time with it, and others will and even die. Being vaccinated gives some added boost and insurance to the immune system for most people - that's the whole purpose of vaccines in general. Roll the dice is what it boils down to.
 

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Would you have been willing to risk finding out if you would've survived without being vaccinated? It's all a matter of what level of risk someone decides to take in life ... like many other things. Would you risk not wearing a seat belt, or risk drinking and driving, etc, etc?
Nope. During the pandemic I felt that the risks were pretty high and I got vaccinated. Two shots. I got COVID afterwards and survived. Mission accomplished, and gratefully so!

That bleach thing really concerns me though. (Thanks again jmat for sharing.) Most folks know that bleach shouldn't be ingested in any way - its a cleaner and its poison. But if folks repackage it and label it as a cure and then use a church affiliation to distibute it, that's really dangerous. Glad to see that it was addressed. The world is full of "WTF" things, I guess. (Lol)
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