Science is now cancelled? [USERS NOW BANNED FOR POLITICS]

[jtmat]

I’ll will gladly roll them on that one lol

A lot of people who did the same can't reply. They are dead.

Be grateful it worked for you this time.

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[TexasMetallic5.0]

A lot of people who did the same can't reply. They are dead.

Be grateful it worked for you this time.

Hundreds of thousands of people die from the flu every year. They’re lucky they got out of this shiznit show.

 

[jtmat]

Hundreds of thousands of people die from the flu every year. They’re lucky they got out of this shiznit show.

But we are talking about COVID. Be grateful.

A quick search says 244,000 people died of covid in 2022. Only 5000 flu deaths. Where did you get hundreds of thousands? Maybe world-wide?

Either way covid is more risky to die from so it does not matter. Not even sure why the flu was even brought up. You are more interesting when posting your silly memes.

 

[TexasMetallic5.0]

The WHO states that the flu causes 290,000 to 650,000 respiratory deaths annually worldwide. You’re just as likely to die from it as the rona. And those with serious preexisting conditions who happened to die with the rona were counted as a Covid death, even if they had stage 4 cancer and were dying anyway.

 

[jtmat]

The WHO states that the flu causes 290,000 to 650,000 respiratory deaths annually worldwide. You’re just as likely to die from it as the rona. And those with serious preexisting conditions who happened to die with the rona were counted as a Covid death, even if they had stage 4 cancer and were dying anyway.

Considering the number of flu deaths in the US vs. COVID deaths in 2022, your post sounds like more misinformation BS.

And we all know "covid is like the flu" is a huge lie. Misinformation spread by clowns. Facts.

 

[Gregs24]

Hundreds of thousands of people die from the flu every year. They’re lucky they got out of this shiznit show.

You have pedalled this guff before. Saying it over and over doesn't make it true. The early strains of COVID were MUCH more serious than flu.

 

[Gregs24]

Wow, what a thread! The reality of COVID is very complex, but can be unravelled with a few facts:

1. Viruses exist in our environment and cannot be seen, heard, smelled, tasted or felt.
2. Some viruses are completely benign, others are lethal, and everything in between.
3. There is only one way to recover from a viral infection - your immune system has to defeat it. Some medications help, vaccines prime your immune system, but that's it.
4. Naturally acquired immunity is much, much more effective than immunity from a vaccine.

So, when you get the COVID (and everyone on the planet will get it eventually) and survive, you will have superior immunity if you never got vaccinated. This is a medical fact that has been largely supressed. Nor do the statistics fully evaluate just how many people got it mildly, and recovered without needing to see a doctor or otherwise reporting it. Because of this, the statistics grossly over estimated death rates.

Another fact that has been supressed is that the COVID respiratory collapse that we are all afraid of looks EXACTLY like what happens to otherwise ill/ older folks who get a strong case of the flu.

COVID is a common-cold related virus that hits you like a strong flu. Note that there is no effective vaccine for the common cold, and this predicts that a COVID vaccine will have very limited benefit. This is indeed the case.

In a free society, every person needs to understand the risks of such a virus, and make decisions about how to protect themselves and others. That includes decisions about social distancing, masks, Ivermectin therapy, vaccines and all the rest. WE DO NOT NEED A GOVERNMENT TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS FOR US.

I have a very direct and personal role in manufacturing the most popular vaccine - anyone who has recieved that vaccine has been touched by my work, and the work of many of my colleagues. I have been vaccinated and boosted with that same vaccine. I have also contracted and recovered from COVID twice. That may be because I was vaccinated, or maybe not.

However, there are some additional facts about the vacvine that have emerged over time. I have already mentioned limited and temporary effectiveness. There are also many reports of myocarditis and other long-term negative consequences of getting these un-proven vaccines.

So for me, additional boosters are not going to happen. I've got strong immunity and I'm fairly healthy. Nor will I adhere to any more government recomendations, mandates, or the like. COVID is out there and it's not going away any time soon - that's just one of a multitude of risks of being alive, and I'm not going to willingly sacrifice quality of life being phobic about getting sick.

I respect each individal's personal choices and wish long, healthy lives for all good people, and good luck with your life's path with respect to COVID.

Quite a lot of what you say is not correct, even at the very basic level of the 1-4 points at the top of your post. Making assumptions based on these incorrect statements will mean you are incorrect elsewhere.

1. Viruses exist in our environment and cannot be seen, heard, smelled, tasted or felt. - Correct

2. Some viruses are completely benign, others are lethal, and everything in between. Correct partially. Some viruses are actually beneficial and can be used in an advantageous way.

3. There is only one way to recover from a viral infection - your immune system has to defeat it. - Incorrect. There are antiviral drugs and have been for some time. A good example is Acyclovir, used widely.

Some medications help, vaccines prime your immune system, but that's it. - Incorrect - this is a vaccine not an antiviral medicine

4. Naturally acquired immunity is much, much more effective than immunity from a vaccine. - Maybe, assuming you survive. However vaccines save a huge number of lives by priming the immune system and providing a period (sometimes lifelong) against disease. In some diseases without vaccines you will die before the immune system can respond. Both vaccine and natural immunity to COVID are relatively short lived because the virus mutates rapidly, as with flu. Hence the reason for regular flu boosters as an example, which have been happening for years.

The respiratory effects of COVID (which are strain dependent) are quite distinct from flu

The vaccines are not unproven, they are actually well proven. You fail to accurately distinguish proven efficacy from vaccine side effects that all vaccines have, they are not the same thing.

 

[CrazyHippie]

Quite a lot of what you say is not correct, even at the very basic level of the 1-4 points at the top of your post. Making assumptions based on these incorrect statements will mean you are incorrect elsewhere.

1. Viruses exist in our environment and cannot be seen, heard, smelled, tasted or felt. - Correct

2. Some viruses are completely benign, others are lethal, and everything in between. Correct partially. Some viruses are actually beneficial and can be used in an advantageous way.

3. There is only one way to recover from a viral infection - your immune system has to defeat it. - Incorrect. There are antiviral drugs and have been for some time. A good example is Acyclovir, used widely.

Some medications help, vaccines prime your immune system, but that's it. - Incorrect - this is a vaccine not an antiviral medicine

4. Naturally acquired immunity is much, much more effective than immunity from a vaccine. - Maybe, assuming you survive. However vaccines save a huge number of lives by priming the immune system and providing a period (sometimes lifelong) against disease. In some diseases without vaccines you will die before the immune system can respond. Both vaccine and natural immunity to COVID are relatively short lived because the virus mutates rapidly, as with flu. Hence the reason for regular flu boosters as an example, which have been happening for years.

The respiratory effects of COVID (which are strain dependent) are quite distinct from flu

The vaccines are not unproven, they are actually well proven. You fail to accurately distinguish proven efficacy from vaccine side effects that all vaccines have, they are not the same thing.

Hi! Yep, you're getting there! Intetesting that you mentioned Acyclovir. The way this works is by interfering with DNA replication in a very limited set of viruses. Primarily Herpes. It's a treatment, not a cure. Paxlovid is similar, but interferes with a key viral protien synthesis. These slow down overall viral replication to give your immune system a chance to overcome the virus. Many AIDS drugs are similar - treatments not cures.

Keep studying!

 

[Gregs24]

Hi! Yep, you're getting there! Intetesting that you mentioned Acyclovir. The way this works is by interfering with DNA replication in a very limited set of viruses. Primarily Herpes. It's a treatment, not a cure. Paxlovid is similar, but interferes with a key viral protien synthesis. These slow down overall viral replication to give your immune system a chance to overcome the virus. Many AIDS drugs are similar - treatments not cures.

Keep studying!

Thank you for your vote of confidence - I am a medical professional as it happens!

I think your definitions of treatment v cure are a little simplistic. Many drugs treat a condition to allow the immune systems to remove the pathogen and effect a cure, such as bacteriostatic antibiotics - but in effect they 'cure' the disease.

 

[jtmat]

Interesting video that explores the deaths of the influencers, but is more about COVID comments made during and after the deaths.

 

[Gregs24]

Interesting video that explores the deaths of the influencers, but is more about COVID comments made during and after the deaths.

Influencer = Darwin awards winners

 

[jtmat]

Flu has not went away! Terrible to die of something a shot might prevent.

Puerto Rico declares flu epidemic with 42 deaths, over 900 hospitalizations​

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Those who are 0 to 19 years old have been most affected, with more than 13,600 cases reported in that population, according to Health Secretary Carlos Mellado.​

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Health officials said there were plenty of vaccines, tests and treatments available on the island.​

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino...pidemic-42-deaths-900-hospitalized-rcna124470

 

[Gregs24]

Covid inquiry live updates: Vallance wrote in diary that Johnson was 'bamboozled' by Covid science - BBC News

UK COVID inquiry is ongoing. Interesting today that Sir Patrick Vallance was saying how difficult it was to get scientific evidence over to PM Johnson at the time as he lacked the basic scientific understanding to actually comprehend graphs and data. Johnson dropped his scientific education at 15 years old so no real surprise.

Just emphasises that in order to understand some stuff you need quite detailed understanding of basic scientific processes.

 

[Burkey]

Covid inquiry live updates: Vallance wrote in diary that Johnson was 'bamboozled' by Covid science - BBC News

UK COVID inquiry is ongoing. Interesting today that Sir Patrick Vallance was saying how difficult it was to get scientific evidence over to PM Johnson at the time as he lacked the basic scientific understanding to actually comprehend graphs and data. Johnson dropped his scientific education at 15 years old so no real surprise.

Just emphasises that in order to understand some stuff you need quite detailed understanding of basic scientific processes.

Sounds a lot like that guy who tried to convince everyone that he had a great vocabulary, without using the word vocabulary…….. but a lot of words. Almost as if he lacked the vocabulary to describe a vocabulary.
Charts?
Reading?
Pfffft

 

[Gregs24]

Sounds a lot like that guy who tried to convince everyone that he had a great vocabulary, without using the word vocabulary…….. but a lot of words. Almost as if he lacked the vocabulary to describe a vocabulary.
Charts?
Reading?
Pfffft

It has been some interesting viewing - we are getting TV coverage as well. General consensus that lockdown was about 3 weeks too late the first time, and the lessons were not learned for the following winter. Government chaos in general with Boris Johnson at the helm was a common theme too. BJ just too uneducated scientifically to understand data and evidence presented to him whilst getting pressure from the right of his party to not impose anything that restricts freedoms. Unfortunately those 'freedoms' were at the expense of many others in some cases.

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