S197 vs S550 crash compilations

[Norm Peterson]

If you leave traction control on (even in the sport mode/reduced modes), it'll save you from an awful lot of trouble and embarrassment. I've done all sorts of dumb shit with this car, and a combination of leaving the f*cking traction control on and knowing when to take my foot off the gas has saved me.

In fact, I have a hard time understanding how *anyone* loses control of this car without turning traction AND stability control fully off, THEN gassing it like a dumb f*ck and wrenching the wheel around. You almost have to try in order to lose control of this car.

There is a legitimate counter-argument here - if a person isn't capable of successfully and safely driving any given car without having the nannies turned on, he's simply not ready to be driving that car. If your dumb shit overrides "successfully & safely" without the nannies available to step in, you're still not ready.

Those car control nannies aren't there to protect you from all the dumb shit that you might intentionally try, and sooner or later you may well discover that they can't cover you for everything you do try. Their calibrations are based on certain assumptions about the way your vehicle is equipped, and can't always accommodate certain changes you might make.


Norm

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[Norm Peterson]

What gets me is if I get the back end squirrely, the electric steering doesn't have the right resistance, even in sport mode, to precisely control the steering wheel with your left hand.

So why don't you have both hands on the steering wheel? Especially when you're using a lot of the car's performance?

It's as much your own inability to keep up with the car's motions with your one hand being an unbalanced and unsteady weight on the steering wheel that's biting you here.


Norm

 

[15wile]

There is a legitimate counter-argument here - if a person isn't capable of successfully and safely driving any given car without having the nannies turned on, he's simply not ready to be driving that car. If your dumb shit overrides "successfully & safely" without the nannies available to step in, you're still not ready.

Those car control nannies aren't there to protect you from all the dumb shit that you might intentionally try, and sooner or later you may well discover that they can't cover you for everything you do try. Their calibrations are based on certain assumptions about the way your vehicle is equipped, and can't always accommodate certain changes you might make.

Nah... it's more a "know thyself" situation. If you're an old-skewl gearhead and feel you can turn off the nannies safely and have a good time, by all means, go forth and do it. If not, then keep them on and know your own limits.

I know that I'm a f*ckup and turning them off is not wise. So I keep them on. If only more folks thought that way. But they think too highly of themselves, and want to show off, and bam.. they write a check their skill can't cash. Write smaller checks, I say, or put the overdraft protection on.

 

[cbrookre]

S197 guys have had many years to do stupid, youtube worthy crashes. S550 will catch up...

 

[Strokerswild]

Driver mod all the way.

When I had my GT500 (pullied and tuned) it was a hoot to slide it sideways around corners on dry pavement. It would do it at ease, as if it were ice or gravel. Never came close to running anyone (or anything) over. :lol:

Far too many poor drivers out there that don't know the capabilities of their cars or themselves.....

 

[BmacIL]

Driver mod all the way.

When I had my GT500 (pullied and tuned) it was a hoot to slide it sideways around corners on dry pavement. It would do it at ease, as if it were ice or gravel. Never came close to running anyone (or anything) over. :lol:

Far too many poor drivers out there that don't know the capabilities of their cars or themselves.....

Thus why I'd actually be ok with tiered licensing based on power and weight. Only reason I'm ok with that kind of thing is because you can hurt others, not just yourself. Otherwise, I'd not care if people bought things they can't control if they only hurt themselves.

 

[mustang1]

crash videos I have seen look like S/C Mustangs. And probably not driven by their original owners.

 

[Gigantor]

As Clint would say "A man has to know his limitations"

 

[MSMStannyl]

I don't know, I can drift like champ in Gran Turismo with my PS3 controller so that obviously means I can do the same thing in my Mustang in the real world!

In all seriousness, I agree that there is no valid reason to turn off AdvanceTrac for normal driving. There's just not.

I mentioned this in another thread but a while back I played around with my traction control settings (in a big, empty parking lot). I have a GT Premium with the 4 drive modes as well as the AdvanceTrac switch, so I'm not sure how this relates to the base systems. Even in Track mode, while the system will give you plenty of leeway to have some fun and get a bit squirrely, it's always ready to step-in and fix things quicker than someone can hit record on their camera phone Youtube live stream.

Once you turn off AdvanceTrac, it's a completely different story. At that point there is absolutely nothing there to protect you and it's very easy to lose it, especially with this being a big, heavy, powerful car. I suggest everyone experiment with these settings in a safe manner (autocross, track day, empty parking lot, whatever...) just to fully understand the limits.

 

[15wile]

I suggest everyone experiment with these settings in a safe manner (autocross, track day, empty parking lot, whatever...) just to fully understand the limits.

If you're an idiot f*ckhead of a driver, like me, best to just leave that sh*t on at all times. If I was somewhat wiser, I'd just drive a Corolla or something mundane and absolutely unhoonable. But since I can't bring myself to do that, I'll just drive a nice Mustang and leave the nannies on.

Also, no burnouts or dumbassery when leaving car meets. None. If you suck at driving, just don't do it man. The gods of car karma will get you. I've remained in the land of the living by being the guy that doesn't hoon anything at car meets. Ever.

 

[Coolmanfoo]

There is a legitimate counter-argument here - if a person isn't capable of successfully and safely driving any given car without having the nannies turned on, he's simply not ready to be driving that car. If your dumb shit overrides "successfully & safely" without the nannies available to step in, you're still not ready.

Those car control nannies aren't there to protect you from all the dumb shit that you might intentionally try, and sooner or later you may well discover that they can't cover you for everything you do try. Their calibrations are based on certain assumptions about the way your vehicle is equipped, and can't always accommodate certain changes you might make.


Norm

This is a very irrational comment. So many of us, myself included, do not have the opportunity to drive cars like that. I never owned a car until 3 months ago and I'm 22. I drove others cars and had my license since I was 18. I saved and got a base gt. Now if it had no nannies I probably would have spun out and crashed leaving the dealership. The nannies helped me learn the car. And after a few months of track says and empty parking lot testing I can probably drive without the nannies now but thank God they were there to help me get started.

But maybe peasants like me shouldn't be allowed to buy cars

 

[Norm Peterson]

In all seriousness, I agree that there is no valid reason to turn off AdvanceTrac for normal driving. There's just not.

What you're saying amounts to this: if I was to trade my '08GT in on an EB or a sixxer S550 - cars of similar power and weight to what I currently drive without AdvanceTrak (because it didn't come on the '08 GT's) - you would expect me to put the training wheels back on? Seriously?

I know you have some additional basis for wanting everybody to be using all of the available nannies (perhaps one Volvo driver in particular). But really, all that Ms. Volvo needed was to be paying more attention and not beginning her forward motion until after seeing you start yours. Moving after simply seeing your brake lights go out was her mistake.

My point still stands to the effect that if you can't control your car without having the nannies on (at any level of sensitivity), your skill set isn't up to what driving that car should be requiring. FWIW, I've driven far more powerful cars than my '08, and cars that rode on tires of far lower capability than what any S550 runs.

15wile understands that, and for the way he's inclined to drive - it's good on him that he doesn't drive "barefoot", as it were.


FWIW Stannyl, I can't drive any computer driving simulation to save my ass. On a good day I might be able to keep the virtual car on the black part going down the straight (I'm not kidding). The feedback is all wrong, and as best as I can explain it, when you're driving - especially when you're driving a bit hard - you should be driving mainly by feel, not control input device position.


Norm

 

[Norm Peterson]

This is a very irrational comment..

You can't evaluate my comment when you don't understand what I said. So I'll try again.

I did not recommend driving with the nannies off. That's only what you thought I said, reading what I typed through a biased filter. What I might choose to do for myself is irrelevant.

I SAID (in only slightly different words) that if a person really doesn't think he can drive [whatever] car safely without the nannies on, maybe that driver isn't ready to drive that car. He might as well admit that he knows he doesn't have sufficient discipline for what the car's potential demands.


IOW, you should be able to drive without the nannies, which isn't the same thing as "you should turn them off". Not at all, and not semantics either.


Norm

 

[nastang87xx]

The main cause of Mustang crashes is high power, low cost, HUGE gatherings of thousands of owners at a time, and a general lack of driver mod.

 

[goldengooner]

London Parking at its best
around the 30 second mark

http://s1165.photobucket.com/user/goldengooner/media/REC_2016_07_30_12_41_43_F.mp4.html?o=1

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