Rev Match downshift v. Normal downshift

[Orgalorg]

Can anyone here heel/toe a PP GT?

Yes, but it is not as easy as it should be.

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[ForTehNguyen]

it helps A LOT to have the steeda heel toe pedal and doing the pedal spacer mod in the DIY section

 

[jvandy50]

Ok thanks I'll look that up. I did not have enough range of motion in my ankle for that...and the brakes are sooo damn touchy lol.

 

[M3Convert]

I double clutch on every down shift.
Clutch in, take out of 4th, in neutral, blip throttle to third gear revs with foot off clutch, downshift.
Is this the same as rev matching?

Yes. Although with modern synchromesh gear boxes, you don't need the double-declutch in and out of neutral I was told. I used to double declutch in and out of neutral, but was instructed that it was faster and smoother to go without the the "neutral" step. You have to double declutch do with square edged racing gears. I don't know why exactly to be honest. I know that racing boxes are lighter as they don't need to brace the driveshaft against the transmission case against the "push" created by the curved synchromesh gears.

I declutch, put it into the lower gear, blip and let out the clutch.

I think a well-timed rev matched shift is one of the best feelings in driving, doubly so on the track.

 

[M3Convert]

Can anyone here heel/toe a PP GT?

Yes, with wide soled sneakers. I found the Puma Tazon 6 sneaker a really good shoe for this...

http://www1.macys.com/shop/product/...401_-_-_mkwid_6dXD4x4N_11617622401|-|6dXD4x4N

It has low padding around the toe area that gives a lot of feel over regular sneakers. My driving "slippers" are a nightmare. I have the Steeda pedal on standby for installation

 

[krahooligan]

100 percent of the time I rev match on a downshift.

 

[Joe 5.0]

I think a well-timed rev matched shift is one of the best feelings in driving, doubly so on the track.

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Obviously one should achieve a perfect rev-match every time, but would it be better to under rev or over rev when not done perfectly?

 

[t4zalews]

All I have to say is go to a dealership and test drive an auto. You don't have to buy it. I just want you to push the downshift paddle and report back that it doesn't rev match before shifting. :cheers:

I support manual transmissions, rev matching, and double clutching. I would hate loosing that option.

It does revmatch before shifting, the statement I was making is it does it automatically, you dont have to blip the throttle or ease the clutch back in at the right RPM. I drove an auto for 13 years before owning a manual. A manual downshift is COMPLETELY different. You actually have to have skill and experience to do a flawless downshift. The greatest thing that I love about a stick is that you are never perfect and you only try to better your ability every time you get behind the wheel.

 

[t4zalews]

it helps A LOT to have the steeda heel toe pedal and doing the pedal spacer mod in the DIY section

I've tried to heel toe with a size 12 and the pedals are soo far apart, biggest issue is the gas pedal is recessed so far away from the break. Do you have the steeda spacer? I would like to get it if it actually makes it feasible to heel toe

 

[ForTehNguyen]

I've tried to heel toe with a size 12 and the pedals are soo far apart, biggest issue is the gas pedal is recessed so far away from the break. Do you have the steeda spacer? I would like to get it if it actually makes it feasible to heel toe

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43590

i have smaller feet so I needed the steeda heel toe pedal also. The spacers is the big thing to get the gas pedal more flush with the brake. Its not really heel toe but side footing it with the right side of your right foot. I dont actually use my heel

 

[t4zalews]

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43590

i have smaller feet so I needed the steeda heel toe pedal also. The spacers is the big thing to get the gas pedal more flush with the brake. Its not really heel toe but side footing it with the right side of your right foot. I dont actually use my heel

I'd much rather use the side of my foot than approach with an angle. If at an angle, a much less aggressive angle than when I was trying before

 

[allgripnoslip]

I don't understand why people wouldn't heel toe on 100% of all downshifts.
The only acceptable answer seems to be that you don't know how to, but if one has learned the basics of rev matching, I can't come up with a single reason to not heel toe every single downshift always.

Can anyone here heel/toe a PP GT?

Heel toeing is no problem at all for me, but if you have issues then I'd suggest getting the "heel toe gas pedal" it makes heel toe so easy it's absurd.



If one does not know how to heel toe, I'd suggest learning how to rev match your downshifts while not braking, then after you have the hang of rev matching, then try doing it while applying the brakes.

If you're having trouble learning how to rev match your down shift, look at what RPM your engine is doing while driving in a specific gear, say at 40MPH you're doing x,xxxRPM's in 4th gear. put it into 5th gear at 40mph, then go back into 4th gear while simultaneously blipping the rpm's up to what they were in 4th gear at that speed. Do this for multiple gears and pay attention to what RPM your engine speed is at that given vehicle speed.

After a while of paying attention to what RPM you're turning at what speed and in what gear, it will just become intuitive how much you need to increase RPM's in what gear to maintain what speed.

As far as if it's better to over rev or under rev, I'd argue that for learning purposes it's not that big of a deal either way, as long as you're less than 1,000 RPM's off. For learning get it close, it won't matter that much. If you're more than 1,000rpm's off, over revving is better than under revving.

After 15min of getting it close, I'd bet that most people can get within 100rpm's of ideal.

 

[markmurfie]

It does revmatch before shifting, the statement I was making is it does it automatically, you dont have to blip the throttle or ease the clutch back in at the right RPM. I drove an auto for 13 years before owning a manual. A manual downshift is COMPLETELY different. You actually have to have skill and experience to do a flawless downshift. The greatest thing that I love about a stick is that you are never perfect and you only try to better your ability every time you get behind the wheel.

With in 1000 miles of driving any manual car your rev match downshifts should be only audible to passengers. When I thought my friend to drive manual and we got to the down shift part he thought he would never be able to make perfect rev matched down shift. It took him less than a week. Any thing with in +/-100rpms you are doing it prefect. It's just a timing thing.

 

[markmurfie]

A follow up question to this. If OP doesn't mind.

What's the maximum rpm you allow your engine to get to downshifting? Engine braking to a stop and downshift for a corner.

 

[ForTehNguyen]

after a while you can rev match by feel without even looking at the tach. People sometimes dont realize im driving stick because the shifts and downshifts are smooth.

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