Procharger Stage 2 Install

[tevol1]

From lund about log with hood off.

Still has knock. Something else is causing NVH or you have extreme oil blow by from PCV causing effective octane to drop regardless of the octane in the tank. You have a separator on the PCV?

I have the passenger side pcv system plumbed to stock location on the moss manifold and then I have driver side with just a breather.

Get rid of the line to the intake put a breather (filter) on both valve covers. Your sucking oil into the intake causing your octane to drop

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[D3adch1ld]

Get rid of the line to the intake put a breather (filter) on both valve covers. Your sucking oil into the intake causing your octane to drop

His manifold is no longer a vacuum source. Whe. The blower forces air, it pushes air out creating a boost leak and pumping all the pressure escaping into the valve cover. I'm suprised he hasn't started to push oil through the seals

 

[ProChargerTECH]

I would not suggest this I would try to figure it out on road testing. I got knock on the road and it was pulling timing I just put it on the dyno and did not show knock. So I logged it on the street after and the knock is there still.

That is normal, Dyno's do not load the same as the street.
(hence why street tuning is always the way to go)
Our timing tables are the max it can run on the street safe.
Then obviously on the Dyno its going to want to add a bit of timing.

The hood is sitting on the boss intake being that it is so tall. He thinks that the car is pulling timing from all the vibrations the boss intake is making from touching hood.

Highly doubt that would cause an issue.
Knock sensors are tuned to a specific Hz signal.
Rubbing metal wouldn't really cause that kinda sound.

I am not sure what else would be the issue. The car isn't making too much boost. Only went to 6100 rpms and at that point I had around 9lbs of boost. I have 10 gallons of 93 octane and 1 can of torco in the tank.

On 9psi, and normal 91 oct and our Stage 2 kit
We run 17 degrees of timing, to achieve our 600rwhp numbers.

Just for reference.
Hope that helps a little bit.

 

[ProChargerTECH]

Get rid of the line to the intake put a breather (filter) on both valve covers. Your sucking oil into the intake causing your octane to drop

If he is sucking oil through that hose, he has bigger problems.
Like a blown motor.

We have run thousands and thousands and THOUSANDS of miles on our test cars, with the lines run to the front of the blower, with literally nearly ZERO oil inside of the lines/filter. (As do the rest of our customers)

 

[D3adch1ld]

If he is sucking oil through that hose, he has bigger problems.
Like a blown motor.

We have run thousands and thousands and THOUSANDS of miles on our test cars, with the lines run to the front of the blower, with literally nearly ZERO oil inside of the lines/filter. (As do the rest of our customers)

Did anyone read he routed his pcv to the Boss I'M OE source??

 

[Phils15GT]

His manifold is no longer a vacuum source. Whe. The blower forces air, it pushes air out creating a boost leak and pumping all the pressure escaping into the valve cover. I'm suprised he hasn't started to push oil through the seals

That doesn't sound good. They both have breathers on them now. Will test it today.

 

[z06psi]

The supercharger pressure was blowing positive pressure into the crankcase. This can unseat the rings against the wall of the cylinders. Which obviously you lose compression.

 

[ProChargerTECH]

The supercharger pressure was blowing positive pressure into the crankcase. This can unseat the rings against the wall of the cylinders. Which obviously you lose compression.

If he has hooked up the PCV to the manifold pressure.
Then usually the first thing that happens, is the front and rear main seals get blown out, and LOTS of oil hits the ground. No good.

 

[Phils15GT]

If he has hooked up the PCV to the manifold pressure.
Then usually the first thing that happens, is the front and rear main seals get blown out, and LOTS of oil hits the ground. No good.

Well, s%#t. Good thing that didn't happen. Didn't drive it much like that.

 

[z06psi]

If he has hooked up the PCV to the manifold pressure.
Then usually the first thing that happens, is the front and rear main seals get blown out, and LOTS of oil hits the ground. No good.

He is admitting he did. Are you disagreeing with me?

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[Phils15GT]

There was a check valve there. Wouldn't that have prevented anything from flowing the wrong way?

 

[Sam@Coastal]

This is the solution we came up with for anyone interested.

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/showthread.php?t=27399

 

[Phils15GT]

I did some more logging after installing breathers on both valve covers. The car still pulled timing 3 of the 4 pulls. 3 of the pulls it pulled about 2-3 degrees and on one of the pulls, it didn't pull any timing. Didn't do anything different on the run it didn't pull timing. Just the good ol stomp and romp.The car only has 12 degrees of timing in it and is losing 2.

Lund wants me to re-gap my brisk plugs to 30, down from 35, check to make sure plugs look okay, and run current tank of gas out. Then toss in some race gas to see if it will hold the little bit of timing it has.

I am still running without a filter on the inlet. Had full can of torco, mixed with around 10 gallons of 93 octane on today's logs.

 

[gqneon]

I did some more logging after installing breathers on both valve covers. The car still pulled timing 3 of the 4 pulls. 3 of the pulls it pulled about 2-3 degrees and on one of the pulls, it didn't pull any timing. Didn't do anything different on the run it didn't pull timing. Just the good ol stomp and romp.The car only has 12 degrees of timing in it and is losing 2.

Lund wants me to re-gap my brisk plugs to 30, down from 35, check to make sure plugs look okay, and run current tank of gas out. Then toss in some race gas to see if it will hold the little bit of timing it has.

I am still running without a filter on the inlet. Had full can of torco, mixed with around 10 gallons of 93 octane on today's logs.

I guess I thought our Lund tunes were custom for each of us but in hindsight and connecting the dots, you and I have the same problems pulling timing the same way on the same setup and got our tunes from him at roughly the same time. That can't be coincidence. Do we both have broken tunes?

What power did you put down on the dyno?

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[gqneon]

I did some more logging after installing breathers on both valve covers. The car still pulled timing 3 of the 4 pulls. 3 of the pulls it pulled about 2-3 degrees and on one of the pulls, it didn't pull any timing. Didn't do anything different on the run it didn't pull timing. Just the good ol stomp and romp.The car only has 12 degrees of timing in it and is losing 2.

Lund wants me to re-gap my brisk plugs to 30, down from 35, check to make sure plugs look okay, and run current tank of gas out. Then toss in some race gas to see if it will hold the little bit of timing it has.

I am still running without a filter on the inlet. Had full can of torco, mixed with around 10 gallons of 93 octane on today's logs.

I dropped my brisk plugs to 0.028 with no difference but if he said to do that, go ahead and give it a try I guess.

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