Procharger Stage 2 Install

[gqneon]

Airraid 90 degree elbow

I ordered one through Carid and they just sent me an automated email stating it will ship around August 3rd. Might have to source one elsewhere I guess.

Anyone order from anyplace different?

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[ProChargerTECH]

I love being part of that 1%. I went with the proflow valve on your recommendation, and don't have the RaceValve pushing in on the hose. The angle of the bend of the stock inlet hose to the air filter strains the hose to some extent flattening it out already. I can completely see that hose restricting towards higher boost.

1) You are not running our stock kit. You are at higher boost, and a D1SC
2) Are you having the issue? It sounds like you have no issues.
3) The proflow rocks, it reacts fast, it flows a lot of CMF.


GUYS, for YEARS companies made entire business's out of "power pipes" for superchargers when people turned up the kits from stock.
(Anderson Ford Motorsport AFM, JLT, Etc)

People that turned their kits up, knew that they would have to make larger intakes for the blowers to support the power.

Kits are designed for the 99%. We sell kits with tuning to the masses all over the country.
If you are turning them up, modifying them, etc, then there may be things that need to change.
(Like injectors, BAP, etc)

Getting mad about the inlet, would be like being mad we don't supply a fuel BAP in the base systems.
(because it doesn't need it)

HOWEVER, we did change the inlet mainly due to the ease of fitment.
It just happened to be a little more "happy" about not sucking in, when being pushed on.
It was a win-win.

 

[gqneon]

1) You are not running our stock kit. You are at higher boost, and a D1SC
2) Are you having the issue? It sounds like you have no issues.

I do not have a video, just diminishing hp returns in the upper rpm range, where most seem to climb and climb. Sounds like a restriction issue to me. The hose flattens out from the bend by default, even if not completely, by design. The extreme examples of complete collapse are likely caused by the additional pressure of the race valve positioning. Got it. Since your hose works perfectly at 9si and potentially not at 10psi, what do I have to do and how much do I have pay you for a piece I can hack up to work properly with the kit you sent me last month? Just let me know.

If I had pullied this thing to 15-20 psi I would totally agree. Seems like 10 is withing the normal ish operating range of the stage 2 though, eh?

I remember having 2 seperate conversations on two different days about the difficulty of fitment of the inlet hose and why it wasn't properly sized.

I'll do it myself, and thanks for awesome support.

 

[ProChargerTECH]

I do not have a video, just diminishing hp returns in the upper rpm range, where most seem to climb and climb. Sounds like a restriction issue to me. The hose flattens out from the bend by default, even if not completely, by design. The extreme examples of complete collapse are likely caused by the additional pressure of the race valve positioning. Got it. Since your hose works perfectly at 9si and potentially not at 10psi, what do I have to do and how much do I have pay you for a piece I can hack up to work properly with the kit you sent me last month? Just let me know.

If I had pullied this thing to 15-20 psi I would totally agree. Seems like 10 is withing the normal ish operating range of the stage 2 though, eh?

Our "new" inlet is like $20 or something. Not the end of the world.
Far far far cheaper then a "power pipe" or whatever.
HERE IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT

There are PLENTY of cars out there that have our now "old" inlet, that have no issues making power climbing and climbing. Heck our own demo car still runs the "old" inlet and its made 630rwhp with no issues in the upper range.

And its still is said that EVERY single C7 out there making 600,700,800+ rwhp run that "old" inlet.
No issues have been reported.

 

[z06psi]

Not the end of the world.

I was waiting on you or someone else to say this. If it isn't the end of the world then why is Procharger not taking the extra step and supplying? It might be the end of me ever buying anything else from your company for any platform.

This is almost Kenne Bell'ish in the Corvette market. It seems I know how to pick'em.

 

[ProChargerTECH]

I was waiting on you or someone else to say this. If it isn't the end of the world then why is Procharger not taking the extra step and supplying? It might be the end of me ever buying anything else from your company for any platform.

This is almost Kenne Bell'ish in the Corvette market. It seems I know how to pick'em.

1)
There are literally PLENTY of people not having any issues.
Remember the first 3 kits that left the door here, all made 700+ rwhp with HO systems. (literally the first week) On maxed out D1SC's, HO intercooler, ProFlow Valves. ZERO issues. Amazon tuning, BBR, and I forget the 3rd. Then after that with kits flying out the door its hard to keep track.

2)
Again, we never changed the inlet for "fit" reasons, since not a single... ZERO C7 customers have complained in over a year of selling that system, which uses the same part. (Same part, same blowers, same location) Thus never was it on our radar of something to change. (and we install them here, so we know how they fit, tight yes, but not impossible)

3)
We have been selling systems for months and months now, and just now this "sucking in" thing is coming up. And seems to be related to cars with the race valve, improperly installed. (or very high boost levels). Heck we have had people use the wrong tube entirely on the front of the blower, because they swapped it with the TB tube. ( Install errors happen, we get it) Sure maybe not ALL are related to improper install, however the HD video posted on here with the race valve smashing half the inlet is without a doubt, improper install. (I showed a photo of how a race valve can fit, without smashing that inlet)

4)
After reading the forums, and a couple calls (very very few) about the inlet being hard to get on, we looked into an alternative part. (I was very open about that on the forums, I just stated I didn't know when it was going to take effect.) SO the inlet we were testing for "fit" happens to be a little stronger, so it was a win-win for going forward.


This is the last I have to say about this matter.
I thought getting a change out so fast (that really isn't needed) would make people happy.
No win on this one I guess. :(

 

[gqneon]

1)
There are literally PLENTY of people not having any issues.
Remember the first 3 kits that left the door here, all made 700+ rwhp with HO systems. (literally the first week) On maxed out D1SC's, HO intercooler, ProFlow Valves. ZERO issues. Amazon tuning, BBR, and I forget the 3rd. Then after that with kits flying out the door its hard to keep track.

2)
Again, we never changed the inlet for "fit" reasons, since not a single... ZERO C7 customers have complained in over a year of selling that system, which uses the same part. (Same part, same blowers, same location) Thus never was it on our radar of something to change. (and we install them here, so we know how they fit, tight yes, but not impossible)

3)
We have been selling systems for months and months now, and just now this "sucking in" thing is coming up. And seems to be related to cars with the race valve, improperly installed. (or very high boost levels). Heck we have had people use the wrong tube entirely on the front of the blower, because they swapped it with the TB tube. ( Install errors happen, we get it) Sure maybe not ALL are related to improper install, however the HD video posted on here with the race valve smashing half the inlet is without a doubt, improper install. (I showed a photo of how a race valve can fit, without smashing that inlet)

4)
After reading the forums, and a couple calls (very very few) about the inlet being hard to get on, we looked into an alternative part. (I was very open about that on the forums, I just stated I didn't know when it was going to take effect.) SO the inlet we were testing for "fit" happens to be a little stronger, so it was a win-win for going forward.


This is the last I have to say about this matter.
I thought getting a change out so fast (that really isn't needed) would make people happy.
No win on this one I guess. :(

Getting a change out so fast and not distributing it doesn't help anyone.

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[Chummel]

1)
There are literally PLENTY of people not having any issues.
Remember the first 3 kits that left the door here, all made 700+ rwhp with HO systems. (literally the first week) On maxed out D1SC's, HO intercooler, ProFlow Valves. ZERO issues. Amazon tuning, BBR, and I forget the 3rd. Then after that with kits flying out the door its hard to keep track.

2)
Again, we never changed the inlet for "fit" reasons, since not a single... ZERO C7 customers have complained in over a year of selling that system, which uses the same part. (Same part, same blowers, same location) Thus never was it on our radar of something to change. (and we install them here, so we know how they fit, tight yes, but not impossible)

3)
We have been selling systems for months and months now, and just now this "sucking in" thing is coming up. And seems to be related to cars with the race valve, improperly installed. (or very high boost levels). Heck we have had people use the wrong tube entirely on the front of the blower, because they swapped it with the TB tube. ( Install errors happen, we get it) Sure maybe not ALL are related to improper install, however the HD video posted on here with the race valve smashing half the inlet is without a doubt, improper install. (I showed a photo of how a race valve can fit, without smashing that inlet)

4)
After reading the forums, and a couple calls (very very few) about the inlet being hard to get on, we looked into an alternative part. (I was very open about that on the forums, I just stated I didn't know when it was going to take effect.) SO the inlet we were testing for "fit" happens to be a little stronger, so it was a win-win for going forward.


This is the last I have to say about this matter.
I thought getting a change out so fast (that really isn't needed) would make people happy.
No win on this one I guess. :(

I am not sure why PC doesn't just step up and send out 4-5 of these $20 parts and keep their reputation and customers. We have spent thousands on their product and they can't cut us a $20 break.

I haven't even had my beefcake special kit installed yet (starts on Monday), but regardless of performance I can tell you I won't go procharger again if this is their attitude.

And the 99% they keep talking about... I would be highly surprised if they sold only one tuner kit per 100 kits. Just saying.. PC should have a different attitude about this.

 

[Nemesys]

lol I love the fact that PC blames things on improper install when a ton of people have shown photos even installs from shops showing the Race valve pushing against the inlet.


Whatever, that is pretty screwed up. I had a master Ford engine tech install my kit. Great customer service lol Place the blame on the customer install and refer to an entirely different car make and say oh well it works fine over in the C7 community lol

 

[z06psi]

I like it better when he/she said they were done with this.

That just shows you more.

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[gqneon]

Well, at the end of the day we vote with our money. I vote judiciously.

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[z06psi]

Plus everyone has a boss. This thread alone will steer people clear.

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[Phils15GT]

I got the hood to close with the boss manifold on it. Took the hood blanket off and cut the inside of the hood. I just zipped it real quick, still needs more trimming but hood closes with a little effort.

Some guys are saying the boss manifold was not a good decision as it makes a lot less power than the stock one. They were basing their findings off of the article about ken b. He tossed a boss manifold on there and it lost power downlow but gained up top. He didn't really adjust the tune, aside from making the car run without the IMRC crap. Guess I will need to change OPGs so I can rev it higher.

 

[z06psi]

I think you will be fine as is.

Those people including the conversation about the 2011-2014 intake are squabbling over 5 and 10 h.p.

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[Barrel]

Well I got my car back today. Makes great power, the race valve sounds fricking awesome, the D1SC is exactly the supercharger sound I always wanted. Never driven a centri/turbo car with a race clutch, so I'm having to relearn how to drive normally lol. MGW is amazing, McLeod clutch is so friggin light, I think I'm going to take the pedal spring out and see if that feels better. The clutch otherwise is fantastic. This is a helluva machine.

But man, I hope ProCharger works on their customer outreach. It's no big deal? You've got all of these systems out there, all of these paying customers, but you won't spend $100 to get the squeaky wheels taken care of? Ok... Wonder what it's going to cost you in sales when people read that you couldn't care less about customers that you've already taken money from. I mean, FWIW, Rev Auto seems to think your customer service is great. I think it's garbage I needed to pay $200 to have the stock inlet replaced so it wouldn't collapse.

FWIW, Rev Auto's solution was great - the new piping they fabbed up looks awesome and relocates the BOV to the bottom of the intercooler on the driver side. At the same time, the inlet tube is now solid plastic. They also ditched a couple of the garbage clamps that come with the kit for T-Bolt clamps since they blew off in testing.

Peak power numbers: 708rwhp/558rwtq STD @ 13PSI on a Dynojet. I'll upload the graph tomorrow.

To those who are curious: I stopped making power at 6800RPM coming up on 14PSI. Looking like the stock air filter can't keep up at that power level? Not sure. Any input Process?

Also I have the surging issue even with a custom dyno tune. Good news, though, is that there's likely a solution coming late next week or so... Stay tuned.

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