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To everyone working the kinks with the IMRC, I assume everyone connected the vacuum line into the intake of the PC, if so, did anyone try a restrictor? Considering the increase in vacuum when the blower is suckling air, it could help the PCM get a more familiar signal and allow it to compensate better for the part throttle switch over.
This makes sense. It's only a 3/8" line but it feeds into a 5/8" line on mine and by the kit design. I understand some people have left this open/uncapped but I have never tried it. What do people with breathers for pcv do? Pics? Routing?

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This makes sense. It's only a 3/8" line but it feeds into a 5/8" line on mine and by the kit design. I understand some people have left this open/uncapped but I have never tried it. What do people with breathers for pcv do? Pics? Routing?

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The vacuum line that attaches to the IMRC is a load reference for the PCM, so leaving it off would not allow the system to work, but attaching the same size line to an increased vacuum source wouldn't either, hence my suggestion for the restrictor. As far as the PCV, on my turbo car, I used to run an open element catch can and never reroute back into the intake.
 
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The vacuum line that attaches to the IMRC is a load reference for the PCM, so leaving it off would not allow the system to work, but attaching the same size line to an increased vacuum source wouldn't either, hence my suggestion for the restrictor. As far as the PCV, on my turbo car, I used to run an open element catch can and never reroute back into the intake.

I was informed that the purpose of that line(IMRC vent line) is to vent the air out of the solenoid. Not sure if that is accurate or not though.
 

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The vacuum line that attaches to the IMRC is a load reference for the PCM, so leaving it off would not allow the system to work, but attaching the same size line to an increased vacuum source wouldn't either, hence my suggestion for the restrictor. As far as the PCV, on my turbo car, I used to run an open element catch can and never reroute back into the intake.
I don't think the line is getting increased vacuum, but I could be wrong. It's showing up as 10-20" vacuum most of the time until I start giving it more throttle, then around 5-7" it will surge making that normally enjoyable part of mid range throttle a herky jerky reason to just shift and think about Whipple kits.

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I don't think the line is getting increased vacuum, but I could be wrong. It's showing up as 10-20" vacuum most of the time until I start giving it more throttle, then around 5-7" it will surge making that normally enjoyable part of mid range throttle a herky jerky reason to just shift and think about Whipple kits.

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I think all the "herky jerky" is from the IMRC system. I will let you all know how it runs when I get it all back together. I am hoping to have it going by early next week. Will just be waiting on Lund's revision for IMRC delete.
 

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I'm refering to additional vacuum created by the positive suction from the PC which is not being mettered, that is definitely increased even if theres no boost present at the intake. Remember, positive displacement means it's always pumping air, unlike turbos which really do go into vacuum. Now, say that you are cruising around at 3k rpms, your PC is likely to be spinning enough for 2-4 psi (which is escaping our the BPV, but yet being pulled from the inlet pipe/filter) your IMRC connects to this inlet and it's no longer reading the same as the Maf sensor confusing 5he PCM
 

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I'm refering to additional vacuum created by the positive suction from the PC which is not being mettered, that is definitely increased even if theres no boost present at the intake. Remember, positive displacement means it's always pumping air, unlike turbos which really do go into vacuum. Now, say that you are cruising around at 3k rpms, your PC is likely to be spinning enough for 2-4 psi (which is escaping our the BPV, but yet being pulled from the inlet pipe/filter) your IMRC connects to this inlet and it's no longer reading the same as the Maf sensor confusing 5he PCM
Interesting. Makes sense. I wouldn't have any idea how much out how to restrict it or tune to it. I sort of have to rely on Lund to know what he's doing with that part.

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Might have an issue with the Boss manifold/procharger kit. Guy on another forum said that he was able to get the Boss intake manifold to clear the hood with dropping motor 3/4" (UPR mounts) and it cleared the hood without hitting. However, he never went through with Boss and procharger kit together because the 3/4" drop would throw off the procharger kit and it would no longer fit. Hmm.... I guess I can see 3/4" throwing everything off too much. It is already real tight in there with Procharger piping, especially the rubber elbow off the SC outlet that goes to bypass.

I wonder if I could get away with just lowering it a 1/2" and having a really snug fit with the hood. 1/2" won't throw off procharger kit too much.


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Interesting. Makes sense. I wouldn't have any idea how much out how to restrict it or tune to it. I sort of have to rely on Lund to know what he's doing with that part.

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I understand your point. I would imagine the tuner will eventually get it dialed in. Hopefully the guys at Procharger can look into my suggestion and do some R&D on it
 

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The vacuum line that attaches to the IMRC is a load reference for the PCM, so leaving it off would not allow the system to work, but attaching the same size line to an increased vacuum source wouldn't either, hence my suggestion for the restrictor. As far as the PCV, on my turbo car, I used to run an open element catch can and never reroute back into the intake.
I'm pretty sure Sam at coastal just runs breathers and leaves this line open.
 

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I'm pretty sure Sam at coastal just runs breathers and leaves this line open.
Its very possible, but then again, that's a shop car. Even if daily driven he might be not too concerned about cruising smoothness or an Engine Light.
 

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When does this surging become a problem? If I was going to go with a D1SC procharger, I was going to most likely go with a 12 psi pulley, with custom tuning. Would I have this surging problem at part throttle? If so I might consider something else unless there is a fix that doesn't cause a check engine light, or any other issues.
 

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When does this surging become a problem? If I was going to go with a D1SC procharger, I was going to most likely go with a 12 psi pulley, with custom tuning. Would I have this surging problem at part throttle? If so I might consider something else unless there is a fix that doesn't cause a check engine light, or any other issues.
It's not a ProCharger problem, per se, it's a problem with any power adder that isn't PD. The issue is surging under partial throttle when transiting the area from vacuum to boost. Some tunes have minimized the issue but I don't know that anyone has gotten rid of it completely. I'm picking my car up today. It's been custom dyno tuned but they use SCT which might not have the parameters available to fully remove the problem.
 

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I had a Paxton Novi2200 before on a previous car and never had ANY hint of surging. So I cant really point the finger at the centris.
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