POLL: Guess MY18 Power Level!

[1320']

+1. Saying manufacturers cannot underrate their motors is just silly. My wife's BMW is rated at 320 crank hp and stock ones routinely dyno between 315-325 rwhp. If 1320' is correct, my wife's ZF 8 speed must be magic and her car has zero drivetrain loss. :headbonk:

BMW doesn't follow SAE testing.

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[Strokerswild]

Remember though, all of these costs are shared with the F-150 when it comes to the Coyote, it is not a mustang only engine. When looking at Ford's business plan, the new DI is as much about fuel efficiency standards as it is power. A less aggressively tuned engine will use less gas, that matters to the corp execs over there. I believe they would sacrifice 10hp if it meant they could go 1 MPG higher on the window sticker. I could be wrong, but 455-465 puts them right in line or slightly above the camaro, and 10 HP less than the 392 (difference easily made up in weight savings). Maybe they blow us all away and give us 485-490 for the 2018 but I think its unlikely.

And historical data will tell us that a faster challenger & camaro both sold less than the 435HP mustang GT to this point. The specific power numbers matter a ton to a number of us on the forums, but we are a small percentage of the entire population of mustang buyers.

This.

I'll be surprised if the number exceeds 455-465 (I think it will be 455). Ford doesn't need to go higher for all the reasons above, and are typically pretty conservative when it comes to power bumps anyway. And have been for decades.

 

[1320']

I remember seeing a comparison of the GT350R and the Z/28. The Z/28 dynoed very high compared to its rating. It might be evidence that your statements about the accuracy of HP ratings are not 100% correct. Of course there are other possible explanations as well. Why do you think the Z/28 produced such a high number on the dyno?

Honestly?

I think it's possible GM had given them a ringer. It's not the first time that GM has "optimized" a set up to ensure "peak performance". IE a track specific alignment and other settings.

 

[Petroleum Jesus]

When looking at Ford's business plan, the new DI is as much about fuel efficiency standards as it is power. A less aggressively tuned engine will use less gas, that matters to the corp execs over there. I believe they would sacrifice 10hp if it meant they could go 1 MPG higher on the window sticker.

Full throttle gains from DI don't affect EPA or CAFE fuel economy ratings because the car is never required to accelerate enough to use the more power-friendly injection modes.

 

[El Diablo]

 

[w3rkn]

Listen, Ford can make the HP/TQ numbers anything they want... what they are going to give us, really doesn't matter because We can tune it however you want, avoiding CAFE standards.

Many still do not understand this is essentially a brand new engine based on the current 5.0. But it takes a YuugE leap in technology. This new 5.0 steps up from fuel injection and jumps over direct injection & lands on even better tech of "dual-injection".

Ford already won engine of the year in 2017 for the 2.3 EcoBoost, I can almost guarantee the new 5.0 will be in the hunt in 2018 for Engine of the Year.


I think with a 91 octane tune, the average Joe is roughly going to get a starting point around 470hp & 440lbs of torque. But what Ford will deliver, will be based on CAFE standards and 29MPG highway rating (32MPG w/A10).

 

[Shark77]

He promised 1000hp.

 

[Marino]

Listen, Ford can make the HP/TQ numbers anything they want... what they are going to give us, really doesn't matter because We can tune it however you want, avoiding CAFE standards.

Many still do not understand this is essentially a brand new engine based on the current 5.0. But it takes a YuugE leap in technology. This new 5.0 steps up from fuel injection and jumps over direct injection & lands on even better tech of "dual-injection".

Ford already won engine of the year in 2017 for the 2.3 EcoBoost, I can almost guarantee the new 5.0 will be in the hunt in 2018 for Engine of the Year.


I think with a 91 octane tune, the average Joe is roughly going to get a starting point around 470hp & 440lbs of torque. But what Ford will deliver, will be based on CAFE standards and 29MPG highway rating (32MPG w/A10).

I think the 29mpg is probably going to be a stretch but may be possible with the A10. I doubt it will do 32mpg even though I'd love to be proven wrong. The 2017 Stingray gets 29mpg on the highway and it is lighter with better aero. I'm not going to rule out 29mpg since it will have dual injection, better aero than before, and a brand new 10 speed, but I think it is unlikely. I would not be surprised at all if it gets 28mpg on the highway with the 10 speed. I bet the manual gets around 26 or 27mpg.

You bring up a good point that this isn't just some refreshed engine. It is completely new and reworked. This engine will probably be found in the S650 and be relatively unchanged. I expect very good numbers even with it being the first tune on the engine.

 

[Petroleum Jesus]

Listen, Ford can make the HP/TQ numbers anything they want... what they are going to give us, really doesn't matter because We can tune it however you want, avoiding CAFE standards.

Many still do not understand this is essentially a brand new engine based on the current 5.0. But it takes a YuugE leap in technology. This new 5.0 steps up from fuel injection and jumps over direct injection & lands on even better tech of "dual-injection".

Ford already won engine of the year in 2017 for the 2.3 EcoBoost, I can almost guarantee the new 5.0 will be in the hunt in 2018 for Engine of the Year.


I think with a 91 octane tune, the average Joe is roughly going to get a starting point around 470hp & 440lbs of torque. But what Ford will deliver, will be based on CAFE standards and 29MPG highway rating (32MPG w/A10).

The CAFE program no longer exists. It was axed last week.

 

[5pointOh]

The CAFE program no longer exists. It was axed last week.

No it wasnt.

 

[Hack]

The CAFE program no longer exists. It was axed last week.

How great would that be!!??!!

 

[millhouse]

I think the 29mpg is probably going to be a stretch but may be possible with the A10. I doubt it will do 32mpg even though I'd love to be proven wrong. The 2017 Stingray gets 29mpg on the highway and it is lighter with better aero. I'm not going to rule out 29mpg since it will have dual injection, better aero than before, and a brand new 10 speed, but I think it is unlikely. I would not be surprised at all if it gets 28mpg on the highway with the 10 speed. I bet the manual gets around 26 or 27mpg.

You bring up a good point that this isn't just some refreshed engine. It is completely new and reworked. This engine will probably be found in the S650 and be relatively unchanged. I expect very good numbers even with it being the first tune on the engine.

Keep in mind, the new manual transmission will have 2 overdrives (we currently only have 1). I would fully expect it to get the same highway MPG as the 10 speed given the same final drive ratios.

 

[Cardude99]

Keep in mind, the new manual transmission will have 2 overdrives (we currently only have 1). I would fully expect it to get the same highway MPG as the 10 speed given the same final drive ratios.

Why do u say that? It's still a 6 speed, I have not heard Ford say anything about a new transmission just upgrades to the clutch and flywheel.

 

[millhouse]

Why do u say that? It's still a 6 speed, I have not heard Ford say anything about a new transmission just upgrades to the clutch and flywheel.

http://www.foxnews.com/auto/2017/01/18/four-fun-facts-about-2018-ford-mustang.html

It is the first time I have seen this reference, but I can't imagine them making it up.

 

[c-rizzle]

The 10 speed transmission will improve real world city MPG a lot too as the car will have more gears to choose from to keep in optimal (low rpm) MPG territory.

I'm a little confused by Ford building a whole new 5.0 (dual injection) engine. I guess they'll use a version of it in the F-150 and Mustang GT for the next 3 years, which when F150's are counted its like 100,000's of motors.

I thought for sure the next gen s650 Mustang GT was going to use a high performance version of the Ecoboost 3.5L engine, like in the Raptor with 450hp/510lbs torque.

Modify the tune a little for higher hp/lower torque, and you're still at 470hp/470lbs with a wide power band that come on early in the RPM range. That type of torque would throw you back in the seat with whiplash in a GT!

Ford GT just won the Daytona 24 hrs with its high output ecoboost.

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