Paris terrorist attack.

[Khyber]

obama said today he ain't going to do anything different and what his plan is "is working". Sad thing is thrusday he said isis is contained then next night they kill 120+ people... contained my ass.

another year till hopefully we get someone with some damn balls who would have started dropping bombs when isis was in it's infancy...yeah we been bombing but someone explain to me how the FRENCH had to take out training grounds and munitions depots when we've KNOWN about it. I don't get it! Why was that not exterminated months if not a year ago! When the French has to take the lead, what the hell has happened?! It's the FRENCH! They aren't exactly known for fighting...

Now it's grown and look whats happened and what's going to happen. not to mention we're just going to open doors to refugees who we have no idea who they really are inside and their intentions, while we can't even take care of our own.

this is going to become real nasty. It may not be tomorrow but I feel certain it's going to happen in my life time and certainly in my kid's.

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[evo8904]

Remember all those mass shootings in Texas........ Yeah me neither, these cowards always pick a place where they know they will be the only one armed.

How do we protect the President? With Guns.
How do we protect our money? With Guns.
How do we protect our children? With a sign saying this is a Gun free zone!

France has some of the strictest gun control laws in the world, I don't think it's working :shrug:

I just quoted this to my mother today; she is a Hillary supporter and I was trying to wake her up.

It's time that we get a real commander in chief. We would not have heard of ISIS is when Reagan was President.

 

[tonio]

So what do you guys know about ISIL?

 

[evo8904]

So what do you guys know about ISIL?

Muslim terrorist that need to be put down. Most likely coming here in the Syrian refugee trojan horse.

 

[z06psi]

So what do you guys know about ISIL?

I know enough. They are Sunnis funded by the House of Saud to destabilize Syria and to fight the Quds incursion into Iraq. What else is needed to be known?

 

[tonio]

I know enough. They are Sunnis funded by the House of Saud to destabilize Syria and to fight the Quds incursion into Iraq. What else is needed to be known?

Quds incursion into Iraq? Iran currently engages ISIL through Iraq, I think you might be slightly off there.

I only asked because I'll be honest, looks like I'm seeing some strong opinions without a full understanding. No disrespect meant, if the logic is sound then questions should be welcome.

In my personal opinion I think ISIL is the flavor of the month right now, and next month they'll be an afterthought like Boko Haram, until they kill more people, but that wont be a problem here as long as we have guns right? Nobody is taking them gentlemen.

As someone that studies this for a living I can tell you, if you have the chaos stateside like they had in Paris, an attack starting with suicide bombers in a highly populous location, the majority of you would be more help by lying on the ground than trying to engage.

At any rate, ISIL wants to kill other Muslims more than anyone else. In our current situation suicidal mass shootings by American citizens pose more of a threat to innocent Americans than ISIL. Just being honest.

 

[z06psi]

Its called a proxy war. Iran and Saudi Arabia at war with one another. Sunni vs. Shia.

Not off base at all and my almost 4 years in the middle east knows how this goes.

So you study this? How about living it? Experience?

 

[tonio]

Its called a proxy war. Iran and Saudi Arabia at war with one another. Sunni vs. Shia.

Not off base at all and my almost 4 years in the middle east knows how this goes.

So you study this? How about living it? Experience?

Some experience. Mostly in highly contested locations. What I'm doing here is kind of what I do period, poke holes to make sure people are well informed.

What you're talking about is probably more relevant in Yemen than it is in Iraq and Syria. With ISIL you don't necessarily have a Sunni vs Shia divide alone, its more like ISIL vs Sunnis who will not swear allegiance to them (most) and Shia.

Very.. very complex situation in Syria and not as simple as 'lets go to war.' A viable solution requires thought here, and at least a decent understanding of the situation. Seems like you do Z06.

I tend to try and keep my personal views out of how I assess these situations, but I do think whoever is going to demolish ISIL will have to put boots on the ground and commit. I think we are hesitant because of our time in Iraq, and it is one of these situations where if you break it then you buy it, and if you buy it you still have to give it back to the Syrian government when it is over.

Our military is poorly funded right now due to sequestration and we want to create more veterans? I mentally cannot justify a campaign bigger than what we are currently doing. I have much more I'd love to say but I'll spread it out over my responses.

 

[z06psi]

So you say someone needs to deal with it with BOG but you say it isn't us. Well who then? The gulf states? They stood by for about 3 months with very limited participation and now are absent. Hell they didn't even try to attend to the refugees.

So your idea is to stand by and watch this evolve into another "set back" as our great leader (and I use that term loosely) stated because we didn't stick it out in Iraq?

The Saudis are calling the shots. That is why we are not there. So if Obama is so afraid to put BOG then why has the air campaign been so limited? Today we hit 19 fuel trucks. I ask you.

Why wasn't those targeted months ago when we knew ISIS was using them to get money?

Why wasn't Raqqa targeted extensively to hit the Command and Control at the very start? We start out every air campaign with such strikes like Iraq and Afghanistan.

Just so you know. I am a Veteran and currently still serving in the active duty Army.

 

[ForTehNguyen]

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[tonio]

So you say someone needs to deal with it with BOG but you say it isn't us. Well who then? The gulf states? They stood by for about 3 months with very limited participation and now are absent. Hell they didn't even try to attend to the refugees.

So your idea is to stand by and watch this evolve into another "set back" as our great leader (and I use that term loosely) stated because we didn't stick it out in Iraq?

The Saudis are calling the shots. That is why we are not there. So if Obama is so afraid to put BOG then why has the air campaign been so limited? Today we hit 19 fuel trucks. I ask you.

Why wasn't those targeted months ago when we knew ISIS was using them to get money?

Why wasn't Raqqa targeted extensively to hit the Command and Control at the very start? We start out every air campaign with such strikes like Iraq and Afghanistan.

Just so you know. I am a Veteran and currently still serving in the active duty Army.

I am highly appreciative of your service. I can't speak for the targeting, but for me to point the finger at the pres I'd have to know the combatant commanders have their hands tied. I recently picked up Relentless Strike by Sean Naylor and I've been meaning to get through Robert Gates' book to get a feel for how this administration does things at that level.. grad school just has me tied up.

I will say at my level.. our ops, we've had few restrictions. If I was going to gauge the administration off of my experience, this is one of the most aggressive admins I've seen, but I've only served under two. Being a bad guy carried a deathwish with it in Afghanistan. Only lately over the past few years has there been this shift (I'll point to media for that) in how we engage. I feel like I just spent two paragraphs not answering your question.

Who will deal with ISIL? Not sure. It goes back to the complex situation, I'm reading report after report that the Assad regime considers them an enemy of the enemy, so they are useful against the opposition. If that is the case then Iran, Russia, and Syria aren't likely to engage and they seem the most viable.

I have many of the same questions you have, why hasn't Aleppo and/or Raqqa been targeted heavily? I don't know, I would hope theres a viable answer.. and if there is its likely classified anyway. I just do what I can, have conversations like this to become better informed.

 

[z06psi]

So why is Assad the enemy? Ever ask yourself that?

There are plenty of dictators around the world. Why him?

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[tonio]

So why is Assad the enemy? Ever ask yourself that?

There are plenty of dictators around the world. Why him?

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I'd say the use of chemical weapons in the Syrian people but I know it goes deeper than that. What we're talking now goes well above my pay grade. Tactical ISIL talk, Al Qaeda, whoever, I'm versed but strategic and even the operational level is more about what I've read and discussions. So I do ask to be enlightened if you have input.

Saying Assad is the enemy is a bit strong, before Syria had so much instability there wasn't much interest other than the desire to have new leadership there. Syria wasn't really a subject until the Arab spring around 2011.

 

[evo8904]

z06psi, thank you for your service to our country bro! I am also a veteran of the US Army.

Tonio, the situation is not complicated. Our so called leaders' failed policies created and armed ISIS. We don't need boots on the ground to defeat them. We need to bomb them 24/7 and everywhere. I would go as far as turning the sand those fcks walk on into glass. We need to also destroy Saudi Arabia and Iran. Those countries have funded terrorism for decades. Yet, America protects Saudi Arabia. My unit was actually sationed in Saudi in 2001. Those are some crazy f*cking muslims. Google christian churches in Saudi Arabia.

 

[evo8904]

I'd say the use of chemical weapons in the Syrian people but I know it goes deeper than that. What we're talking now goes well above my pay grade. Tactical ISIL talk, Al Qaeda, whoever, I'm versed but strategic and even the operational level is more about what I've read and discussions. So I do ask to be enlightened if you have input.

Saying Assad is the enemy is a bit strong, before Syria had so much instability there wasn't much interest other than the desire to have new leadership there. Syria wasn't really a subject until the Arab spring around 2011.

Did he really use those chemical weapons? Or is what Obama wants everyone to believe?

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