Own up...

[Manders Mustang]

It's impossible to prove the Mustang's speed and the limit is at least 40 as there is a 30 sign for the turn-off. Turning across oncoming traffic gets you a due care and attention conviction (especially with a copper already on site). The 'shitbox' driver is driving on learned behaviour at that junction probably and may not have clocked that the lights were out. Other traffic (bike) stops; he goes. It's either the biker, the shit box or @Manders Mustang at fault (just a hunch) but definitely not the Mustang. The fact that he could driven more defensively doesn't hand him the blame.

Shh don't tell them it was my fault ;)!

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[Leeroy]

Take a minute to think about that...

The Mustang can't see a car, that was stationary one second and then suddenly starts to move INTO HIS LANE the next, versus the shitbox unable to see the Mustang, already established on his own side of the road, not deviating from what he was doing 1/3/10 seconds ago, yet that's the Mustang's fault for not pre-empting an idiot pulling out in front of him?



If it means not having an accident OF COURSE IT BLOODY DOES!

The number one, overriding factor, above ALL else when driving, is DON'T CRASH!! You are literally saying it's ok to have an accident if the other car was going too fast.

Again, take a second to think about it. Shitbox is waiting to cross TWO lanes of oncoming traffic, they see the bike practically stop (Dr Grabster has already covered how stupid THAT was), and instead of taking an extra second or two to check for any other approaching traffic, blindly pulls across anyway.

As I said, they either misjudged the speed of the Mustang which means they didn't take a good enough look in the first place, or they didn't see it at all. Neither of those scenarios is a lesser evil than the Mustang's perceived excessive speed.

How are either of those options less dangerous than the Mustang maintaining his speed and course along an unbroken lane?

As Tom pointed out, the shitbox has had to cross what is essentially a centre line dividing the two carriageways in order to cause this collision. The Mustang did nothing.

The Mustang's speed is largely irrelevant because the shitbox has proven they either misjudged his speed or didn't see him at all. That means had the Mustang been going slower, the shitbox would still have misjudged his speed or not seen him at all. Result? Collision would still have occured but with slightly less damage.

It's downright scary, albeit not unexpected, that almost 20% of people think this is 100% the Mustang's fault. :lol:

Well said, couldn't agree more. Can't believe so many are focussing on the mustang speed - 40mph is ~20m/s, 60 is ~30m/s, not a big enough difference to state the car came out of nowhere and the shitbox didn't see it!

 

[SteveS]

Seeing the Mustang is one thing. Assuming its doing 40 and finding its doing 60 is something else altogether ;)

 

[Manders Mustang]

I'm surprised none of the parents/grandparents here have dropped the "what if it was a kid not a SB" line :lol:

 

[slowhand99]

I'm surprised none of the parents/grandparents here have dropped the "what if it was a kid not a SB" line :lol:

My eldest turned right across oncoming traffic in her teens. She was unsighted due to crap road design but it was still her fault. They were nice enough to give her 5 points leaving her with one to play with but she could still drive. Couldn't believe how much protection a Citroen could provide. Total write off though.

 

[Leeroy]

Seeing the Mustang is one thing. Assuming its doing 40 and finding its doing 60 is something else altogether ;)

You can see by how slowly the shitbox pulled out they can't have looked or seen the car, even at 40 it would likely have still been a crash

 

[Manders Mustang]

My eldest turned right across oncoming traffic in her teens. She was unsighted due to crap road design but it was still her fault. They were nice enough to give her 5 points leaving her with one to play with but she could still drive. Couldn't believe how much protection a Citroen could provide. Total write off though.

Human, not car.... As in, a human on the road, not the car. :lol::lol:

I've gone across a main road from a side road, completed bar my back 1/10th of the car, got hit there, and be claimed it was my fault... Guy driving admitted he was driving too fast, insurance said there's speed bumps he can't have been going that fast, went against me... Lost NCD but that's about it.

 

[bobpies]

im gonna say - it was the shit box fault - the mustang should've been paying closer attention to the lights being out, but they shouldn't be jumping across the lane without all of the oncoming traffic stopped and are sure they are going to let her across.

its not like they was following a line of traffic jumping across, they just decided to go even with the mustang doing what looked about at least 40mph coming towards them.

the same way you wouldn't blindly jump across traffic if there were no lights there, and you certainly wouldn't do it if the lights were out and just assume the traffic will stop for you

 

[Manders Mustang]

Just... Out of interest, we've looked at all certainties, but has anyone put any thought into this situation. Which we also can't prove.

1) The lights the Mustang/Bike filmer POV are travelling on are the ONLY LIGHTS OUT
2) "SB" Is on a green right turn filter.
3) "SB" lights work
4) Lights all working EXCEPT MUSTANG ROADS lights.

Technically that's Mustang at fault, no?

There's not enough PURELY ON THAT VIDEO, to dictate, as we can't see the lights for the SB's travel path.

 

[bobpies]

Just... Out of interest, we've looked at all certainties, but has anyone put any thought into this situation. Which we also can't prove.

1) The lights the Mustang/Bike filmer POV are travelling on are the ONLY LIGHTS OUT
2) "SB" Is on a green right turn filter.
3) "SB" lights work
4) Lights all working EXCEPT MUSTANG ROADS lights.

Technically that's Mustang at fault, no?

There's not enough PURELY ON THAT VIDEO, to dictate, as we can't see the lights for the SB's travel path.

says on the video that no other lights at the junction were working.

fairly sure the highway code states that if traffic signals are not working, the junction should be treated as give way

and shitbox did not giveway to the mustang bullet train

 

[Manders Mustang]

says on the video that no other lights at the junction were working.

fairly sure the highway code states that if traffic signals are not working, the junction should be treated as give way

Ah that's good then, I was talking off proof, I saw one or two not working, but, didn't know if SB's was also out, or another elsewhere. :shrug:

Actually states it should be treated as an unmarked junction and proceed with caution. It's good practise to treat unmarked junctions as stop junctions or give ways as a minimal practise, however that is not enforced by the HWC.

 

[bobpies]

Ah that's good then, I was talking off proof, I saw one or two not working, but, didn't know if SB's was also out, or another elsewhere. :shrug:

Actually states it should be treated as an unmarked junction and proceed with caution. It's good practise to treat unmarked junctions as stop junctions or give ways as a minimal practise, however that is not enforced by the HWC.

Well in that case - legally it's probably 50/50.
SB for jumping with undue care and attention and mustang bombing on with undue care and attention

 

[Centurion07]

Even if you have a green it doesn't give you the right to just pull away and cause an accident.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/light-signals-controlling-traffic

HC explicitly states pull away IF CLEAR TO DO SO. So even if shitbox had a green he should still have been looking for oncoming traffic, nevermind in this situation where he had neither red NOR green.

 

[Gloucesternige]

Maybe I am getting old but I never drive through a set of traffic lights at the kind of speed he was doing, just in case someone does turn in front or they change or an emergency vehicle emerges, or a pedestrian crosses the road.

Its 50/50 and Mustang owner be good to admit it because if the police decide to investigate how fast he was going things will probably become a much worse outcome for Mustang driver as the speed was clearly excessive.

He was clearly speeding and driving without due care and attention, that is an instant ban if the Police decide to pursue on it.

Yeah the other guy should not of turned but probably seen the biker stop so assumed it was cleared and then from nowhere a wild pony appears at warp speed.

Always slow down for traffic lights even if they are clearly on green, precaution will keep you safe.

Agree 100%. There was a police car there already so they may have witnessed the speed of the Mustang? If I was approaching a junction and another vehicle or bike was stopped, I would approach with caution and certainly not speed through like that.

 

[Spider]

After watching this all the way through I think the bike caused the accident and his guilt is what made him pull over afterwards.

Him stopping at the broken light rather than just slowing down caused the woman in the grey car to think that he had a red light in that direction. She was then of course surprised by the mustang shooting through ;)

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