Oil seperator question?

[DivineStrike]

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I understand you don't want disputes but the customer would sure like to know why a company thinks their product is better than another's product. Healthy discussion on why one design is better than the other should be encouraged, based on facts and testing of course. Bashing should be avoided however. I just don't think it's right to say a vendor shouldn't try showing proof their product is better.

Granted I will say I don't know what you cleaned up, just against a flat out ban of one vendor comparing their product to another.

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[UPRjoe]

I understand you don't want disputes but the customer would sure like to know why a company thinks their product is better than another's product. Healthy discussion on why one design is better than the other should be encouraged, based on facts and testing of course. Bashing should be avoided however. I just don't think it's right to say a vendor shouldn't try showing proof their product is better.

Granted I will say I don't know what you cleaned up, just against a flat out ban of one vendor comparing their product to another.

I agree and will only share the highlights of the UPR Single Valve Catch Can Systems with everyone. UPR is also working on a fixed mount for the 5028-98 System to deliver yet another immediate product improvement based on the end users responses.

What is a company if they don't listen to their fellow enthusiast and offer solutions to their concerns or requests. This is where UPR has always has and always will separate their customer service and manufacturing ability to maintain the pursuit of continuous improvement for UPRproducts.

I will have picture of a remote mount that UPR is almost finished since this topic has come up. We're even thinking about offering a solution to the JLT and Bob's customers and making brackets to relocate their systems as well for the customers that would like a better option.

BTW, just ask away if you any questions.

Thank you for your feedback, Joe Mainiero / UPR Owner

 

[Husker]

BTW, just ask away if you any questions.

I asked this question once before...Forgot the answer-->:shrug:


If someone failed to empty a full can, what would happen to the engine or can?

 

[Blacksheep]

I bought the bob's with rubber tubings, installed it and changed my mind about the tubings. Contacted Steve and paid the difference plus shipping. Now I got the upgraded tubings with billet connectors. The standard version blends well in the engine bay. It looked like it belongs there. It's the worm clamps that changed my mind however. I put on maybe 10 miles after install thanks to northeast weather so I didn't even try to empty the can.

 

[Varekai]

I bought the bob's with rubber tubings, installed it and changed my mind about the tubings. Contacted Steve and paid the difference plus shipping. Now I got the upgraded tubings with billet connectors. The standard version blends well in the engine bay. It looked like it belongs there. It's the worm clamps that changed my mind however. I put on maybe 10 miles after install thanks to northeast weather so I didn't even try to empty the can.

How much was the difference? I've been thinking of doing this as well.

 

[UPRjoe]

I asked this question once before...Forgot the answer-->:shrug:


If someone failed to empty a full can, what would happen to the engine or can?

We have tried and tested this many times, because our cans are so efficient they regularly need to be emptied. Whereas other designs that are Pull Through by design and never collect enough oil in between oil changes to become a concern.

So we tested this on a F150 with a 5.0L Coyote and many customers that forget to check the system to see what happens. Basically it works like when you sip a soft drink or coffee and make the slurping noise. It only gets what is right at the over full level because of the design and the collected fluid is heavier that air.

The oil gets trickled into the system by the airflow along the bottom of the clean side line that leads back to the intake manifold and works just like not having a system in place at all. Funny you asked this as we have a seen a lot of confusion and off the wall posts that yo will blow your seals or lock your system etc.

Not even close as I can stand behind this with the utmost confidence and faith in our vast knowledge of the PCV system and the actual function of each and every style of catch can design out there. This is how we have developed such solid systems and can make such bold claims and statements from how deeply we understand what we do.

Simple example A and B

Example A

Put a straw in a glass of water and blow and you will see the air immediately rises and exits, just like the highest point in the catch can and lines. This is also effected by the fact that the dirty side line and crankcase are not pumping a solid stream of fluid and it's 98% air and gasses so it could never lock the system or harm an engine.

[ The only way to lock a system would be to cap one side of the catch can ]

Example B

For anyone that doubts this simply fill your catch can with water and either blow through it or suck on it and all it will just pull out the over the full level of fluid as the air stream clears a path. Then as the level is reached air cannot be trapped or contained by the fluid as it will just pull through and have a sipping effect. Thus never allowing the level to go beyond that capacity or ever to get overfull during operation as it will just keep sipping away to keep the PCV still flowing smooth.

[ The only way to lock a system would be to cap one side of the catch can which would eliminate th PCV function all together and is not a reality ]

:eyebulge: Think this is Crazy !

No, it's not a bid deal. Just more like simple Physics....

Hope this gives you all a more comfortable feel and less concerns about the fears of overfilling your catch can.

Joe

 

[Jay@JLTPerformance]

I installed my JLT today but I do not think I am liking how it is sitting, I need to adjust anyways as it is touching the tank on the front, but I think I might switch to a mounted unit instead.

We have sold 10's of thousands and we also use them on our own cars which we do heavy road racing with and still no issues with the way it mounts.

In my opinion, it's by far the most factory looking separator on the market.

Just checked my jlt after 1500 miles and it was abit more then half full!! What a great addition.

Great news, thanks :cheers:

We test and test and test our separators and we post the results to prove they work.
These were removed in the clean up, not sure why, but this is what we do vs mention another company name:

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Now that's proof huh!?
We have even more test videos on Youtube

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Thanks
Jay

 

[Husker]

We have tried and tested this many times, because our cans are so efficient they regularly need to be emptied. Whereas other designs that are Pull Through by design and never collect enough oil in between oil changes to become a concern.

So we tested this on a F150 with a 5.0L Coyote and many customers that forget to check the system to see what happens. Basically it works like when you sip a soft drink or coffee and make the slurping noise. It only gets what is right at the over full level because of the design and the collected fluid is heavier that air.

The oil gets trickled into the system by the airflow along the bottom of the clean side line that leads back to the intake manifold and works just like not having a system in place at all. Funny you asked this as we have a seen a lot of confusion and off the wall posts that yo will blow your seals or lock your system etc.

Not even close as I can stand behind this with the utmost confidence and faith in our vast knowledge of the PCV system and the actual function of each and every style of catch can design out there. This is how we have developed such solid systems and can make such bold claims and statements from how deeply we understand what we do.

Simple example A and B

Example A

Put a straw in a glass of water and blow and you will see the air immediately rises and exits, just like the highest point in the catch can and lines. This is also effected by the fact that the dirty side line and crankcase are not pumping a solid stream of fluid and it's 98% air and gasses so it could never lock the system or harm an engine.

[ The only way to lock a system would be to cap one side of the catch can ]

Example B

For anyone that doubts this simply fill your catch can with water and either blow through it or suck on it and all it will just pull out the over the full level of fluid as the air stream clears a path. Then as the level is reached air cannot be trapped or contained by the fluid as it will just pull through and have a sipping effect. Thus never allowing the level to go beyond that capacity or ever to get overfull during operation as it will just keep sipping away to keep the PCV still flowing smooth.

[ The only way to lock a system would be to cap one side of the catch can which would eliminate th PCV function all together and is not a reality ]

:eyebulge: Think this is Crazy !

No, it's not a bid deal. Just more like simple Physics....

Hope this gives you all a more comfortable feel and less concerns about the fears of overfilling your catch can.

Joe

Thanks for the thorough explanation.

 

[UPRjoe]

I installed my JLT today but I do not think I am liking how it is sitting, I need to adjust anyways as it is touching the tank on the front, but I think I might switch to a mounted unit instead.

I hear customers say it wears the mesh that covers the radiator hose, I can understand being worried about the hose as well. I have sold our systems for a long time and never encountered any issues with the hose other than an enthusiast concerns and wanting to have a mounted system

So UPR is in the process of working on a positive mount for the UPR split chamber systems. We will also be working on a bracket setup for the JLT Catch Can as well to eliminate any concerns. So over the next 2 weeks we will develop a quality setup for you and the countless others that have concerns with the front mount system that site on the radiator hose.

UPR's main objective is to address your concerns as an enthusiast and make you feel better about the product and service that is delivered and supported.

Thank you, Joe

:cheers:

 

[gsxr1300]

Why not just order the front mounted version?

 

[UPRjoe]

We will be offering the bracket and hose as an upgrade once they are developed for those who want to relocate their systems. The system works great where it's located and the biggest reason to offer the upgrade is to just support an alternate choice for mounting.

 

[gsxr1300]

5030-98 is solid mounted, this is the one i installed about 300 miles ago I should check to see what it collected..

 

[Sc00ter]

I bought the bob's with rubber tubings, installed it and changed my mind about the tubings. Contacted Steve and paid the difference plus shipping. Now I got the upgraded tubings with billet connectors. The standard version blends well in the engine bay. It looked like it belongs there. It's the worm clamps that changed my mind however. I put on maybe 10 miles after install thanks to northeast weather so I didn't even try to empty the can.

Blacksheep, I went with the black tubing, too, and have the same question as Varekai: how much did Steve charge you for the upgraded tubing and billet connectors?

Scott

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