NewMustang's GT - The Ruby Red Wonder

[SteveS]

My latest mod on the car is the wallpaper on the big screen.

Decided to settle for this one

Good choice

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[gojensen]

Yea don't think it's as easy as registering the car somewhere else. I also don't think Germans would deny you to bring your car from France? If I understand all these EU regulations correct, if you have a car licensed "somewhere" it's legal "elsewhere" in the EU. That's why so many US imports up here go through Germany or one of the lesser "mad" countries down there...

Of course, they could balk if you tried to mod the vehicle further... We actually got a new ruling up here that would allow red and sequential rear signal lights... for veteran cars (i.e. 30+ years).

 

[papinist]

There is a common trick here, called "german plate" that consists in selling your car to a german rental service and then get the same car for a long-time rent. In this way you avoid paying stupid luxury tax and also the yearly italian tax; plus, insurance will be lower than the same on an italian car.

Another simplier trick is registering car with a german temporary plate: it lasts one year but you can renew it when expires.

Here you can drive with a foreign plate (from an EU country) max. 1 year since you enter in country... but there's no borders so no one can say when you enters in Italy.

The only drawback is the expenses: both systems costs about 1500-2000 eur per year; it is very cheap for cars like Lamborghini\Ferrari\Maserati, but it's very similar to the cost of having a Mustang registered here (1760 eur yearly + luxury tax). This is for ecoboost, for the GT would be cheaper the german plate!

 

[Ericc B]

Yeah people tried the 'foreign rental car' trick here as well. So our government changed the law and now it is forbidden for a Dutch resident to drive any car with a foreign registration unless you have a permit. Which of course is impossible to get.

 

[NewMustangDE]

These rules ar e driving me mad. In Sweden you must, in theory, register that you live there if you spend more than 180 days there. Same for Germany.

But i think that as for a car being driven in any of these countries, the rule says 12 months....hmmm, have a neightbour here with a Polish reg plate and they have lived here for at least 2 years!

In a sense, one can totally ignore these rules as its very difficult to prove when you and/or your car arrived!

 

[papinist]

government here talks to do something to avoid that, too. But the solution is simple: remove the stupid luxury tax, and all luxury car owners will come back and pay regular taxes, so they will get a higher income than now.
But it's not an argument that a politicians can understand...

 

[Glenn G]

I feel sorry for you all. The luxury tax seems really unfair. Does a car have to be less than a certain value to avoid it?

 

[papinist]

I feel sorry for you all. The luxury tax seems really unfair. Does a car have to be less than a certain value to avoid it?

no it's more stupid than that: you have to pay it for every car with more than 185 KW\250 HP. They want 20 eur for every KW exceeding 185.
They want to get money from luxury car owners, but forgot that you don't have to be rich to have some powerful car.

So a 100,000 eur Audi Q7 with 247 HP does not have luxury tax (only about 5-600 eur yearly tax), but the 36,000 eur Mustang EcoBoost has about 1,000 eur luxury tax + 760 eur yearly tax..

 

[Double]

I'll prolly end up living in Germany for 12 months, buy a German Mustang GT own that car for at least 6 months in Germany and then move back to the Netherlands. Won't be able to sell the car for another 12 months when back in the Netherlands though. Seems to be the only way to avoid our ridiculous car tax, or wait 10 years until the "import" tax gets reduced to 0%.

Still young without many obligations and the V8 won't be around for much longer and well you only live once So it'll be worth the little extra trouble

 

[NewMustangDE]

I'll prolly end up living in Germany for 12 months, buy a German Mustang GT own that car for at least 6 months in Germany and then move back to the Netherlands. Won't be able to sell the car for another 12 months when back in the Netherlands though. Seems to be the only way to avoid our ridiculous car tax, or wait 10 years until the "import" tax gets reduced to 0%.

Still young without many obligations and the V8 won't be around for much longer and well you only live once So it'll be worth the little extra trouble

 

[Rough Hollow Man]

So, can one say that in Europe "horsepower is considered a luxury"? Since one pays a "luxury tax" for higher horsepower autos. But in America, we pay a "Gas Guzzler Tax" for
low MPG vehicles. Americans are taxed on mileage numbers not on horsepower. Seems to me that Ecoboost Mustangs are being treated unfairly in Europe because they pay a "Luxury Tax" based on their HP even though they get excellent gas mileage. What am I missing here?

 

[papinist]

Yes but only in Italy.. other EU countries based its taxes on CO2 emissions, that probably could be compared to consumpion.
For sure here the ecoboost is treated unfairly but the GT is even worse.

Yeah, power is a luxury here. Most of the cars here are between 1.0L and 2.0L at maximum. Oh and gas is a luxury because of the price (that has a high % of taxes in it), so most of the cars have diesel engine.

 

[Rough Hollow Man]

Bummer!

Yes but only in Italy.. other EU countries based its taxes on CO2 emissions, that probably could be compared to consumpion.
For sure here the ecoboost is treated unfairly but the GT is even worse.

Yeah, power is a luxury here. Most of the cars here are between 1.0L and 2.0L at maximum. Oh and gas is a luxury because of the price (that has a high % of taxes in it), so most of the cars have diesel engine.

You might know that Italy would be different. But there is one good thing about all of this...your new Mustang will be even more of a rare car in Italy. It's sure to be a head turner! Hope you get her soon.:cheers:

 

[papinist]

This is absolutely true

 

[friendgr]

no it's more stupid than that: you have to pay it for every car with more than 185 KW\250 HP. They want 20 eur for every KW exceeding 185.
They want to get money from luxury car owners, but forgot that you don't have to be rich to have some powerful car.

So a 100,000 eur Audi Q7 with 247 HP does not have luxury tax (only about 5-600 eur yearly tax), but the 36,000 eur Mustang EcoBoost has about 1,000 eur luxury tax + 760 eur yearly tax..

Excuse me, but the ultimate winner in stupidity luxury tax is Greece.
The rule is: all cars above 2000cc (including 2000cc) pay luxury tax.
How much? 13% of its annual presumptin of living. EVERYTHING in Greece is calculating on presumption of living. We are the only country in the world using this ancient calculation of taxes.
There is 30% discount after 5 years old and 50% after 10 years old.
Do you want to see the presumption of living * for cars?
Sit on a chair and click the link:

http://www.autoblog.gr/2011/12/29/tekmiria-ix-autokiniton-2012/

They have increased on 2012. Yes you read correct.
The yearly presumption of living of 5000cc (no matter car value) is 41.800 eur X 13% =
5.434 luxury tax plus the yearly road tax around 1000 eur.

As you understand there is no matter of justice. Only for collecting money.


*presumption living is a greek taxation patent, which means : I don't care how much you declare at the annual tax declaration, I assume you earn yearly at least 41800 for owning 5000cc car.
If you declare annualy above 41800 it's fine , you cover the presumption living. If you declare below 41800 they don't care you will pay as you earn 41800. There are presumption livings for everything: homes, cars, swimming pool, children (yes CHILDREN) , married, unmarried, so as you understand the total yearly presumption of living is the sum of the above.

Anyone spoke about stupidity?

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