New Camaro is a generation ahead

[Sasuketr]

The hood on the Camaro reminds me of a toilet seat lid especially if it's highlighted like the 1LE. I saw that somewhere and can't get it out of my head every time I see one. It must have a turd for a engine.
Saw an add taking $2K off a ZL1 already. It's still $60K + tax. Can't warm up to the exterior.

The hood looks more of a stingray than a toilet seat! I believe thats what they were shooting for and they nailed it.

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[JohnnyUtah]

Just saw the Hennessey youtube video of zl1 and corvette zo6 comparison! Well, camaro with the six speed manual and corvette being 7 speed manual, corvette was able to pull away in the quarter. Considering they have the same powerhouse but 400 lb weight difference, thats normal. The funny thing though, the top speed of zl1 is on 5th gear and limited to 173 mph! John Hennessey did the test himself. My guess is the 10 speed will be quicker with a higher top end. We shall see.

The Nurburgring video showed the A10 north of 180 mph so it definitely has a higher top speed than the manual... that is if Hennessey is correct about it being 173.

 

[RatFink71]

The new Camaro is nothing but a Cadillac ATS-V with a Corvette engine. Chevy did nothing spectacular or groundbreaking in designing anything "new". All they did was took an existing chassis with Magnaride technology and modified it to use the Corvette engine. I love the Mustang because it is the only car out of the big 3 that has it's own dedicated chassis that shares nothing with any other platform, especially the new IRS out back. Ford's design team actually did their job and designed a chassis and suspension system for the Mustang without using parts from other vehicles. I also totally respect Ford for thinking outside the box with the GT350's Voodoo engines flat plane crank and the GT350R's 100% carbon fiber wheels. I don't see GM doing outstanding stuff like that. Their idea of more horsepower is slapping a supercharger on a pushrod engine.

 

[ZaneWayne]

The new Camaro is nothing but a Cadillac ATS-V with a Corvette engine. Chevy did nothing spectacular or groundbreaking in designing anything "new". All they did was took an existing chassis with Magnaride technology and modified it to use the Corvette engine. I love the Mustang because it is the only car out of the big 3 that has it's own dedicated chassis that shares nothing with any other platform, especially the new IRS out back. Ford's design team actually did their job and designed a chassis and suspension system for the Mustang without using parts from other vehicles. I also totally respect Ford for thinking outside the box with the GT350's Voodoo engines flat plane crank and the GT350R's 100% carbon fiber wheels. I don't see GM doing outstanding stuff like that. Their idea of more horsepower is slapping a supercharger on a pushrod engine.

You don't think Chevy had anything to do with the alpha platform development? Or LT1-4 development? Or the new Magnaride? And why would that make sense to completely R&D new parts when you have fantastic existing parts? This argument is silly. When you have really good tools, you use them. You don't go out and buy new tools.

 

[cosmo]

The new Camaro is nothing but a Cadillac ATS-V with a Corvette engine. Chevy did nothing spectacular or groundbreaking in designing anything "new". All they did was took an existing chassis with Magnaride technology and modified it to use the Corvette engine. I love the Mustang because it is the only car out of the big 3 that has it's own dedicated chassis that shares nothing with any other platform, especially the new IRS out back. Ford's design team actually did their job and designed a chassis and suspension system for the Mustang without using parts from other vehicles. I also totally respect Ford for thinking outside the box with the GT350's Voodoo engines flat plane crank and the GT350R's 100% carbon fiber wheels. I don't see GM doing outstanding stuff like that. Their idea of more horsepower is slapping a supercharger on a pushrod engine.

Well, the Mustang is the only one to receive the upgrade to the platform under the S197 (named D2C), it isn't exactly exclusive. Your big complaint seems to be borrowed parts. What about the Mustang's IRS? It's an upgraded Fusion setup. The floorboards and underbody are the updated but similar to a few Jaguars and the Lincoln LS. The 5.0L was launched first in the trucks as well. But you need to be honest with yourself, if the GT350 was a seperate model altogether, you would love getting a Voodoo in your GT wouldn't you? In many of the 18 MY prediction threads, a few people cross their fingers everytime.

Just as the Voodoo you're praising was based off of many modified 5.0 parts, the LS7 used last gen by GM was built off the LS3 generation of block. With an aftermarket fix for the valvetrain, that engine is incredible.

The parts bin complaint is funny to me. You get premium parts for cheaper since it's spread across multiple users. I like having a unique engine in my 350, however if Ford had a smaller brother to the Mustang ala the Vette/Camaro, I wouldn't be pissed to see it elsewhere. It's a great engine, and a great experience.

 

[EcoVert]

The new Camaro is nothing but a Cadillac ATS-V with a Corvette engine. Chevy did nothing spectacular or groundbreaking in designing anything "new". All they did was took an existing chassis with Magnaride technology and modified it to use the Corvette engine. I love the Mustang because it is the only car out of the big 3 that has it's own dedicated chassis that shares nothing with any other platform, especially the new IRS out back. Ford's design team actually did their job and designed a chassis and suspension system for the Mustang without using parts from other vehicles. I also totally respect Ford for thinking outside the box with the GT350's Voodoo engines flat plane crank and the GT350R's 100% carbon fiber wheels. I don't see GM doing outstanding stuff like that. Their idea of more horsepower is slapping a supercharger on a pushrod engine.

Brother I'm glad I'm not the only one who see this truth.

 

[bluebeastsrt]

I wouldn't mind borrowing parts from a Corvette.

 

[RatFink71]

Well, the Mustang is the only one to receive the upgrade to the platform under the S197 (named D2C), it isn't exactly exclusive. Your big complaint seems to be borrowed parts. What about the Mustang's IRS? It's an upgraded Fusion setup. The floorboards and underbody are the updated but similar to a few Jaguars and the Lincoln LS. The 5.0L was launched first in the trucks as well. But you need to be honest with yourself, if the GT350 was a seperate model altogether, you would love getting a Voodoo in your GT wouldn't you? In many of the 18 MY prediction threads, a few people cross their fingers everytime.

Just as the Voodoo you're praising was based off of many modified 5.0 parts, the LS7 used last gen by GM was built off the LS3 generation of block. With an aftermarket fix for the valvetrain, that engine is incredible.

The parts bin complaint is funny to me. You get premium parts for cheaper since it's spread across multiple users. I like having a unique engine in my 350, however if Ford had a smaller brother to the Mustang ala the Vette/Camaro, I wouldn't be pissed to see it elsewhere. It's a great engine, and a great experience.

First off, the Coyote engine was developed for the Mustang and was not first used in trucks. Second, the IRS out back may have been based on the Fusion's design but was not taken straight from the Fusion parts bin and slapped under the S550. Ford engineers actually looked at the basic layout of the Fusion and designed and IRS to specifically fit the S550 Mustang. I can not go buy Fusion IRS parts and put them on my Mustang. Of course Mustang chassis have always been based off other models but never directly swapped one for one out of a parts bin. Chevy just simply bypassed the design phase and used someone else's chassis. First it was the Aussie's and now it's Cadillacs.

GM used to be cool back in the muscle car days, they let all the separate entities work alone and develop their specific engines and suspension systems. The only thing shared was the basic body platform (ex: A-body, F-body, etc) between Buick, Pontiac, Chevy, and Olds (ex: the f body was the basic platform for the Camaro and Firebird). Cadillac was the only entity of GM that worked alone and did not share platforms with the others. Read again, CADILLAC DID SHARE PLATFORMS WITH THE OTHERS. When the Camaro came out in 1967, it was unlike anything in the current Chevy lineup. The Camaro was a F body and sat on it's own damn chassis. Chevy did not take the chassis from a Cadillac or Buick or any other Chevy vehicle, instead they designed a unibody chassis with a front subframe unique to the Camaro. Now lets fast ford to today. GM now has only 1 type of engine and that is the Chevy LS or now LT based engines. No longer do we have the competition and constant innovation of Pontiac, Buick, and Oldsmobile putting their twist on the internal combustion engine. Back in the muscle days you had constant competition to see who could build the most powerful engine. Their was the Pontiac Ram Air engines, the Olds Rocket 455's, Buick with their Stage 3 455's and of course Chevy with it's 454 LS6. Even during the late 70's and 80's Buick was the brainchild behind the 3.8 V6 turbo Grand National engine, not Chevy. All of the engine were not interchangeable with each other and each engine was a true product of each entities design team. I'm sorry but GM and Chevy today are boring, they make one engine and they think slapping a supercharger or increasing the displacement is cool - it's not, it is boring and just rehashing the same old crap.

I respect Ford because they use innovation. Sure, the new 5.0is based on the original 4.6 modular design but has been improved and greatly changed through the years. I think the 4.6 started life with 210-220 horse and is now at 435. That is some cool stuff. Using a flat plane crank to get well over 500 horse from a 5.2 liter engine with no supercharger, now that is some cool stuff. Using a large displacement pushrod engine with a supercharger, now that is pretty boring - sorry.

 

[trekkar]

Some killer deals on the 17 camaro. May need to test one out. I like the looks of the mustang but price for performance the camaro is looking like the better deal now.

http://www.chapmansellschevys.com/V...Camaro-2dr_Cpe_1SS-Philadelphia-PA/2850933703

 

[bluebeastsrt]

Some killer deals on the 17 camaro. May need to test one out. I like the looks of the mustang but price for performance the camaro is looking like the better deal now.

http://www.chapmansellschevys.com/V...Camaro-2dr_Cpe_1SS-Philadelphia-PA/2850933703

You trying to convince us, or yourself? Did you read all the fine print on all the sh!t you don't qualify for?

 

[Competition Orange]

Damn, If I can get into the new 1LE for mid 30s, I'd probably pull the trigger.

45k? PFFT LOL

 

[Sasuketr]

I wouldn't mind borrowing parts from a Corvette.

This!

Imagine gt350 and gt having the same engine! Guess what, it will never happen because it will make the gt a gt350 especially the 2018 models with the magnaride. Same weight, same power and all. Corvette on the otherhand, atleast it has better weight distribution and 300 lbs lighter. A camaro never and will not be equal to a corvette!

 

[68fbjjz109]

First off, the Coyote engine was developed for the Mustang and was not first used in trucks. Second, the IRS out back may have been based on the Fusion's design but was not taken straight from the Fusion parts bin and slapped under the S550. Ford engineers actually looked at the basic layout of the Fusion and designed and IRS to specifically fit the S550 Mustang. I can not go buy Fusion IRS parts and put them on my Mustang. Of course Mustang chassis have always been based off other models but never directly swapped one for one out of a parts bin. Chevy just simply bypassed the design phase and used someone else's chassis. First it was the Aussie's and now it's Cadillacs.

GM used to be cool back in the muscle car days, they let all the separate entities work alone and develop their specific engines and suspension systems. The only thing shared was the basic body platform (ex: A-body, F-body, etc) between Buick, Pontiac, Chevy, and Olds (ex: the f body was the basic platform for the Camaro and Firebird). Cadillac was the only entity of GM that worked alone and did not share platforms with the others. Read again, CADILLAC DID SHARE PLATFORMS WITH THE OTHERS. When the Camaro came out in 1967, it was unlike anything in the current Chevy lineup. The Camaro was a F body and sat on it's own damn chassis. Chevy did not take the chassis from a Cadillac or Buick or any other Chevy vehicle, instead they designed a unibody chassis with a front subframe unique to the Camaro. Now lets fast ford to today. GM now has only 1 type of engine and that is the Chevy LS or now LT based engines. No longer do we have the competition and constant innovation of Pontiac, Buick, and Oldsmobile putting their twist on the internal combustion engine. Back in the muscle days you had constant competition to see who could build the most powerful engine. Their was the Pontiac Ram Air engines, the Olds Rocket 455's, Buick with their Stage 3 455's and of course Chevy with it's 454 LS6. Even during the late 70's and 80's Buick was the brainchild behind the 3.8 V6 turbo Grand National engine, not Chevy. All of the engine were not interchangeable with each other and each engine was a true product of each entities design team. I'm sorry but GM and Chevy today are boring, they make one engine and they think slapping a supercharger or increasing the displacement is cool - it's not, it is boring and just rehashing the same old crap.

I respect Ford because they use innovation. Sure, the new 5.0is based on the original 4.6 modular design but has been improved and greatly changed through the years. I think the 4.6 started life with 210-220 horse and is now at 435. That is some cool stuff. Using a flat plane crank to get well over 500 horse from a 5.2 liter engine with no supercharger, now that is some cool stuff. Using a large displacement pushrod engine with a supercharger, now that is pretty boring - sorry.

What you chastise GM for, Ford does even more of with literally every other platform. There is some much commonality between Ford vehicles it's not even funny.

Flexing a vehicle architecture is very advantageous especially from a business case. It really lets you put money in other technologies, or continue to retain quality people through financial rewards.

 

[Stage_3]

Damn, If I can get into the new 1LE for mid 30s, I'd probably pull the trigger.
45k? PFFT LOL

I would never buy one, but it does look pretty bad ass!!
(In my opinion anyways. lol )

 

[02gtnh]

The new Camaro is nothing but a Cadillac ATS-V with a Corvette engine. Chevy did nothing spectacular or groundbreaking in designing anything "new". All they did was took an existing chassis with Magnaride technology and modified it to use the Corvette engine. I love the Mustang because it is the only car out of the big 3 that has it's own dedicated chassis that shares nothing with any other platform, especially the new IRS out back. Ford's design team actually did their job and designed a chassis and suspension system for the Mustang without using parts from other vehicles. I also totally respect Ford for thinking outside the box with the GT350's Voodoo engines flat plane crank and the GT350R's 100% carbon fiber wheels. I don't see GM doing outstanding stuff like that. Their idea of more horsepower is slapping a supercharger on a pushrod engine.

How can the Mustang share a platform when it has no other sports car in its line up to share with? Ford doesn't have a corvette class car, they don't have a luxury sports car like the ATS or CTS. So how can you bash GM for sharing parts with known high performance cars when Ford doesn't offer anything else other then the Mustang. You can bet if Ford had the same performance car set up like GM, there would be plenty of parts bin sharing.:cheers:

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