Nameplate for the Ecoboost 2.3?

[Cthrewu]

My guess is it will be just Ecoboost.

Sponsored

 

[thePill]

Mustang is 50 years old, and has a lot of heritage to draw from.



My I ask your age?

Why are you concerned with the "younger buyers" and who they are. If "ST" is hot for them, that's probably why they are buying up non-sports cars and getting them spec'd "ST" so they can have something sporty, but not pay for it.

These younger people buy these "hot econoboxes" to avoid the premium insurance that comes with owning a true sports car.



Once again, from the ground up, the Mustang is built as a sports car, & would be very odd for the Mustang to don an "ST" badge. It would be a backwards oxymoron. Now, as for the EB2.3 in a Focus... call it an "ST" , but the name of a Mustang won't ever be an "ST" !!

Focus ST, yes.. (even if it is the same engine)

The new focus here is younger buyers, that is Ford's target, not mine.

ST would be fine with me but so would SVO. I just rather the Mustang develop a streamlined model lineup. Just some structure and scalability like Porsche, BMW, Benz and many others.

The One Ford mentality will see some badge sharing to eliminate confusion. Many Mustang enthusiast like ST on a Mustang. Nearly as many that want an SVO...

Many thought it would be odd for the Mustang to have Ford DNA. Most argued when I suggested the Mustang was moving up market, and getting semi-exotic... Or the GT350 wasn't coming...

I'm telling you now, there is a strong chance it will be an ST (non-SVT). You get an oppertunnity here to state a solid case agaisnt that... So far, no good.

I do not want Ford call it nothing, Turbo or Ecoboost. Unless they call it EcobooST

 

[Grimace427]

Yes it is the base model same as v6. The v6 was a after thought. Only people that will be buying v6 is rental car companies and people scared of turbos. Like I have said before only way that people with any kind of brain will pick the v6 over i4 is if there is a huge price difference. People will either choose the i4 cuz of performance or the fact it gets better mpg. Personally see the v6 very short lived.

I don't agree with any of this. The I4 will be priced higher than the V6 so it isn't the base model at all, at least here in the US. Secondly, saying only rental car companies will be buying the V6 is completely wrong. The 3.7 has an enormous following for it's performance per dollar appeal and will continue to enjoy this appeal when the more expensive to buy and more expensive to mod Ecoboost model hits the market.

 

[trolls56]

I don't agree with any of this. The I4 will be priced higher than the V6 so it isn't the base model at all, at least here in the US. Secondly, saying only rental car companies will be buying the V6 is completely wrong. The 3.7 has an enormous following for it's performance per dollar appeal and will continue to enjoy this appeal when the more expensive to buy and more expensive to mod Ecoboost model hits the market.

If there is only a 1000-2000 dollar difference why would anyone in the right mind buy something that has better performance and mpg? Now if there is a big difference in price like you are getting to GT price then I'd say yeah v6 has nothing to worry about. I highly doubt that is going to be true. I'd guess 2 grand max. To get the ecoboost option in a F150 is 1100 engine option. By the way isn't a model choice its and engine choice. The v6 is a dying breed in the mustang if it wasn't why wouldn't it be offered to the rest of the world?

 

[MadMoose]

I think Ford should put 2.3T or turbo badges on it. My guess though is that there won't be anything to differentiate it from the V6 and the 2.3 will just be a option box you check similar to the rest of the Ford lineup.

 

[Grimace427]

If there is only a 1000-2000 dollar difference why would anyone in the right mind buy something that has better performance and mpg? Now if there is a big difference in price like you are getting to GT price then I'd say yeah v6 has nothing to worry about. I highly doubt that is going to be true. I'd guess 2 grand max. To get the ecoboost option in a F150 is 1100 engine option. By the way isn't a model choice its and engine choice. The v6 is a dying breed in the mustang if it wasn't why wouldn't it be offered to the rest of the world?

Lots of assumptions here, not much you can substantiate with any facts. Regarding your last statement, this is the first time the car is being sold abroad. Why should that say anything about the longevity of the V6 engine? If the V8 hardly sells anywhere outside of the US(which it won't) would that spell doom for the future of the V8 as well? I think not.

 

[Patio208]

I think Ford should put 2.3T or turbo badges on it. My guess though is that there won't be anything to differentiate it from the V6 and the 2.3 will just be a option box you check similar to the rest of the Ford lineup.

I am actually coming around to that belief now. Since the v6 and I4 have no physical differences as of now. That also leads to an easy transition if and when the v6 is phased out. Credit to Trolls56 for converting me.

 

[Rich]

Their other ecoboost 4's are designated ST. "One Ford" theme is going for consistency, so I think the Mustang will be the same. Since the base v6 was not improved for next year, either they want to maintain a big difference in horsepower or they will eventually phase it out of the line-up, depending on price difference between the v6 and turbo4. That n/a v6 seems to currently be one of the best in the auto industry. Judging from the price difference between n/a and ecoboost with their other models I bet they keep it.

 

[Rich]

... By the way isn't a model choice its and engine choice. The v6 is a dying breed in the mustang if it wasn't why wouldn't it be offered to the rest of the world?

A couple reasons are most of the rest of the world pays exorbitant gas prices and huge taxes on certain engines, so the vast majority of cars sold in those countries will be eco4's.

 

[thePill]

Their other ecoboost 4's are designated ST. "One Ford" theme is going for consistency, so I think the Mustang will be the same. Since the base v6 was not improved for next year, either they want to maintain a big difference in horsepower or they will eventually phase it out of the line-up, depending on price difference between the v6 and turbo4. That n/a v6 seems to currently be one of the best in the auto industry. Judging from the price difference between n/a and ecoboost with their other models I bet they keep it.

The V6 will be sacrificial. When compared to the EB2.3, it will be "look how much better" and the price could be similar. In short, they are giving us a choice but an EB2.3 vs. A 3.7 isn't really a choice... but appears we still have freedom.

It appears that ST has already caught on, mostly due to the popularity.

 

[thePill]

I love models that have form within the nameplate. Porsche uses the 900 scheme, BMW the M, Benz with the C and Black... I love the idea that the Mustang is primarily a Tourer and identified as such with the "T".

ST
GT

and any special editions are built from that. GT350, GT500, ST2.3, ST3.5, STT, STX.

 

[thePill]

A good friend of mine brought up the GTi idea...

I was thinking eGT or GTe (Ecoboost)...

 

[trolls56]

Lots of assumptions here, not much you can substantiate with any facts. Regarding your last statement, this is the first time the car is being sold abroad. Why should that say anything about the longevity of the V6 engine? If the V8 hardly sells anywhere outside of the US(which it won't) would that spell doom for the future of the V8 as well? I think not.

It's not really that hard to see the writing on the wall. They didn't offer it to the rest of the world. If the ecoboost does as well as it does in the f150 why would they continue to offer it here? Ford has put an older motor in many vehicle just for a year or two. Here is a list of just off the top of my head. 94-95 mustang GT 5.0 pushrod motor. 3 valve 4.6 in the 2010 Mustang GT. 2010 Ford Raptor had a 5.4 in it. Only saving grace I can see is fleet model aka rental cars.

 

[Grimace427]

It's not really that hard to see the writing on the wall. They didn't offer it to the rest of the world. If the ecoboost does as well as it does in the f150 why would they continue to offer it here? Ford has put an older motor in many vehicle just for a year or two. Here is a list of just off the top of my head. 94-95 mustang GT 5.0 pushrod motor. 3 valve 4.6 in the 2010 Mustang GT. 2010 Ford Raptor had a 5.4 in it. Only saving grace I can see is fleet model aka rental cars.

This does not make any sense.

They didn't offer it to the rest of the world.

Others have already explained why. Taxes due to engine displacement make the the 3.7 a non-option. The V8 won't sell outside of the US either except to the very few die-hard fans who would not have it any other way, and the car will likely cost as much as an M3.

If the ecoboost does as well as it does in the f150 why would they continue to offer it here?

?

Ford has put an older motor in many vehicle just for a year or two. Here is a list of just off the top of my head. 94-95 mustang GT 5.0 pushrod motor. 3 valve 4.6 in the 2010 Mustang GT. 2010 Ford Raptor had a 5.4 in it.

What exactly are you getting at here? What older engine are you talking about in this case? The 3.7 is the exact same age as the 5.0 as far as the Mustang is concerned.

 

[trolls56]

Saying the didn't offer the v6 to the rest of the world make cuz of taxes and gas prices would make sence if they were talking about he v8 but not the v6. I know that in Belgium there are crazy taxes for sizes of the engine. They improved the coyote did they improve the 3.7? When i said an old engine I just meant they put an engine in a vehicle just for a temp fix. Example Ford Raptor they offered the 5.4 and 6.2 first model year only cuz the 6.2 wasn't completely ready at launch of truck. The next model year only 6.2 was offered. I guess they could have kept it here so they still have something to complete with Chevy and Dodge. I just don't see the 3.7 lasting more than the first year maybe 2. Alot of us Americans are still stuck in our old ways of no replacement for displacement. Ford knows direct injection and turbos are the way of the future. To most of us me included would hate to see the lost of the v8 just simply for the lost of its sound. I just don't see us Americans crying about the loss of a v6 as we would a v8. Cost difference between i4 and v6 and the mpg difference between them when released will really tell how long I will give the v6.

Sponsored