Mustang Hybrid (S650) Announced, Debuts in 2020

[Bullitt]

Took a while for me to process this announcement.

I'll buy the last year that a NA V8 is offered at 5.0L or greater displacement.
Looks like it will be in 2019...and Ford will sell every one they can produce.
I know that times change and technologies need to advance for the betterment of us all, but for me the Mustang has always been about the V8.
I do not believe there will be a TT EB 5.0L or factory S/C Coyote for the S550...they would have been out or announced already.

A 2019 5.0/5.2 GT/ 50th Anniversary Mach 1 will work for me, then I'm out.

3.5-3.7L EB TT V6/4.0L EB TT V8/hybrid for 2020 S650 GT500.
$$??

Yeah same here. If there's a Bullitt I'll get that, otherwise I'll probably either keep my current one or buy a last model year GT350 and drive it until I'm not allowed to anymore. No interest in a hybrid or electric Mustang at all. I don't care how fast it is. Call me old fashioned.

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[abie915]

As much as I love my V8, my next car will be all electric or a hybrid. I test drove a Tesla Model S recently, and the way that car drives and the self driving tech in it made my GT feel like an ancient relic. A turbo v6 Mustang with electric assist and 30+ mpg will be VERY tempting when it's time to replace my 2015 2-3 years from now.

Kudos to Ford, they have once again proved themselves to be the most innovative and forward thinking of the big 3. Like it or not, the future is going to be electric. Adapt or die.

 

[Commbubba19]

incase anyone calls bs on my points:

https://u.osu.edu/2367group3/environmental-concerns/effects-of-mining-lithium/

http://www.kitco.com/ind/Albrecht/2014-12-16-How-Green-is-Lithium.html

https://cleantechnica.com/2016/05/12/lithium-mining-vs-oil-sands-meme-thorough-response/


^^ This article references that lithium mining is better for the environment vs. traditional copper and other heavy metal mines. However, they greatly overlook the disposal issues after lithium is extracted from these giant square evaporating pits.

http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...rs-dirty-little-secret-is-a-major-proble.aspx


On top of all that, lithium is a finite resource that takes tons of energy to actually extract along with other required precious metals. Once it's gone it's gone. Lithium-Ion batteries are extremely difficult to recycle.


Now on to the grid.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/518066/could-electric-cars-threaten-the-grid/

I like how this article states studies have shown that we have so much extra power, but easily overlook how that power is produced and the required costs to maintain that infrastructure.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/11/electric-cars-are-only-as-green-as-their-power-grid.html

America's electricity is still mostly coal-fired, with natural gas being a close second and nuclear a distant third. The U.S. is second only to China, which is about twice as reliant on coal, in annual carbon dioxide emissions.

Let that sink in. Any environmental savings by using an electric car is easily offset by the increase greenhouse emissions produced by the electric coal power plant.

My own city of over 1 million people just shunted it's only Nuclear plant and now relies on two coal power plants. Yeah, real green.

:frusty:

 

[Cardude99]

Ugh, I was hoping there was a solid decade before this was going to happen. While I know this needs to happen, I Def do not like this bold new world we will be living in.

I'm sure a hybrid stang will be fast but I want no part of it.

 

[Freedom]

As much as I love my V8, my next car will be all electric or a hybrid. I test drove a Tesla Model S recently, and the way that car drives and the self driving tech in it made my GT feel like an ancient relic. A turbo v6 Mustang with electric assist and 30+ mpg will be VERY tempting when it's time to replace my 2015 2-3 years from now.

Kudos to Ford, they have once again proved themselves to be the most innovative and forward thinking of the big 3.

Good cars, except their horrible build quality makes ford look good. Very torquey until 60mph.. or when the batteries like at 60%.

 

[Regs]

Hybrid is good for getting less dependent on oil - but what about states that depend on that revenue from gas tax like NJ? So instead of declining gas prices, it will just continue to go up. Blood suckers are never happy. Just as we were enjoying cheap gas again, they did nothing by rape us with tax since they thought we could bare it. I'm surprised they even offer tax incentives for Hybrids as states want you blowing money at the pump to fund their cronies on the hill.

Cynicism aside, I like the new direction Ford has taking. Very responsible both environmentally and economically. Wasn't Mexico responsible for bad transmissions in the Mazda line and the eco-booms in the 2015's?

 

[Commbubba19]

one more good page of info if you're bored.

http://www.geni.org/globalenergy/li...america/americannationalelectricitygrid.shtml

 

[airjonny]

People are going to be highly disappointed if you think that the EPAs regulations are going to bother Ford's engineers. The Mustang is a global car that still has to meet emissions regulations overseas. The engineers will continue business as usual and will continue to do so. Now that doesnt mean the v8 is gone in the near future. Cylinder deactivation, hybrid, forced induction, direct injection and other tech are still on the table and can keep the v8 around for years to come.

 

[Macfarland]

Great news, but where are the 2018 teasers??

 

[machsmith]

All.this technology and they haven't gotten panel gaps figured out. One step at a time for heavens sake!!
I look forward to the AWD power of the stang. It will be a fast SOAB

 

[EcoVert]

incase anyone calls bs on my points:

https://u.osu.edu/2367group3/environmental-concerns/effects-of-mining-lithium/

http://www.kitco.com/ind/Albrecht/2014-12-16-How-Green-is-Lithium.html

https://cleantechnica.com/2016/05/12/lithium-mining-vs-oil-sands-meme-thorough-response/


^^ This article references that lithium mining is better for the environment vs. traditional copper and other heavy metal mines. However, they greatly overlook the disposal issues after lithium is extracted from these giant square evaporating pits.

http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...rs-dirty-little-secret-is-a-major-proble.aspx


On top of all that, lithium is a finite resource that takes tons of energy to actually extract along with other required precious metals. Once it's gone it's gone. Lithium-Ion batteries are extremely difficult to recycle.


Now on to the grid.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/518066/could-electric-cars-threaten-the-grid/

I like how this article states studies have shown that we have so much extra power, but easily overlook how that power is produced and the required costs to maintain that infrastructure.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/11/electric-cars-are-only-as-green-as-their-power-grid.html



Let that sink in. Any environmental savings by using an electric car is easily offset by the increase greenhouse emissions produced by the electric coal power plant.

My own city of over 1 million people just shunted it's only Nuclear plant and now relies on two coal power plants. Yeah, real green.

:frusty:

I agree with you it's what I've been tell people for years but NO one wants to listen. :doh:

 

[Jdenkevitz]

muthereffing dot

The masses are too stupid to realize the environmental impact of precious metal mining that's necessary for the production demand for modern batteries.

Add to that that yes, the current electrical grid is ancient and cannot support the increase demand expected in 5-10 years. Tree huggers want power, but they don't want to invest in true green power which is not solar or wind. Nuclear is the only way to keep up with the demand and current nuclear technology is amazingly efficient and safe.

But as long as the marketing makes everything look pretty, who cares about the underlying mess.

While I agree we need Nuclear power, I think calling it true green is a bit much. Ask those that lived in the Fukashima exclusion zones. Yucca Mountain/disposal is still a real issue.

We absolutely need to upgrade our grid. Its something that was discussed 6 years ago as a mechanism to kick start the economy, but was shot down.

There is a finite supply of oil. Whether we run out in 30 years or 100, it makes sense to move towards alternatives sooner, as the environmental impact of ICE automobiles is known. Human driven climate change is happening. People need to realize there is a cost to pissing carbon emissions into our closed system for 100+ years. The long term cost to NOT move towards better systems is significantly greater, especially in regards to national security and global instability. Its incontrovertible. Sea levels are rising. Its getting warmer. We continue to pump out way too much CO2.

If energy costs more in the short term, so be it.
This issue is much bigger than "I want my v8".

In the grand scope of things, if power prices go up and people are limited by what they can spew into the environment, that's a fair trade off to the alternative of accelerated rising sea levels, having to deal with millions of refugees, wars over clean water resources, and global food shortages.

 

[ForTehNguyen]

said hybrid powertrain will deliver V8 power, never said it would be a V8. Lexus does this also with GS350 and GS450h. 450h is not a V8 but has V8 power

 

[wireeater]

That's cool..it sounds like they're trying to appeal with the techno-performance crowd.

They are. The baby-boomer generation got what they wanted. Now it's time to focus on the technology generations.

 

[Genxer]

incase anyone calls bs on my points:

https://u.osu.edu/2367group3/environmental-concerns/effects-of-mining-lithium/

http://www.kitco.com/ind/Albrecht/2014-12-16-How-Green-is-Lithium.html

https://cleantechnica.com/2016/05/12/lithium-mining-vs-oil-sands-meme-thorough-response/


^^ This article references that lithium mining is better for the environment vs. traditional copper and other heavy metal mines. However, they greatly overlook the disposal issues after lithium is extracted from these giant square evaporating pits.

http://www.fool.com/investing/gener...rs-dirty-little-secret-is-a-major-proble.aspx


On top of all that, lithium is a finite resource that takes tons of energy to actually extract along with other required precious metals. Once it's gone it's gone. Lithium-Ion batteries are extremely difficult to recycle.


Now on to the grid.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/518066/could-electric-cars-threaten-the-grid/

I like how this article states studies have shown that we have so much extra power, but easily overlook how that power is produced and the required costs to maintain that infrastructure.

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/11/electric-cars-are-only-as-green-as-their-power-grid.html



Let that sink in. Any environmental savings by using an electric car is easily offset by the increase greenhouse emissions produced by the electric coal power plant.

My own city of over 1 million people just shunted it's only Nuclear plant and now relies on two coal power plants. Yeah, real green.

:frusty:

Valid points that a lot of greenies don't consider. I don't worry about us being able to build more power generation, but it also can't happen overnight. Power storage is definitely a limiter with current technology. Breakthroughs in battery technology are needed before we can make the big leap of electrical usage in vehicles. As far as renewables the driver will be capitalism. If there is money to be made from it, changes will come. Not saying we can't do all of these things.

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