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Enjoy your Manual Transmissions while you can. The vast majority of even M Series BMW`s and all 2015 Ferrari California Coupes are now only available with Paddle Shifter A/T. For the U.S. and North America as a whole, rowing your gears is going to be more difficult to enjoy. Find a new hobby.
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It has been 10 years since i have driven a manual on a daily basis. until yesterday - it was super easy to readjust to it. the only issue i has was going from first to second, oddly enough. but, that ironed itself out.
1st to 2nd took some getting used to for me too, seems like because it starts out with so much torque...
 

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Enjoy your Manual Transmissions while you can. The vast majority of even M Series BMW`s and all 2015 Ferrari California Coupes are now only available with Paddle Shifter A/T. For the U.S. and North America as a whole, rowing your gears is going to be more difficult to enjoy. Find a new hobby.
That's exactly the reason I didn't buy a Ferrari California.
Why care what might happen, one day on some cars? I find cars more fun with manual. Why is it such an issue for you? It's a post about manual experience and because you can't do this anymore :hail: you decide to do this :rant:
 

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You can always turn on the training wheels too (hill assist)
The Mustang has this? I've never used it, how does it work? Do it impede performance in anyway? Is it something that you turn on/off or is it always there?
 

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That's exactly the reason I didn't buy a Ferrari California.
Why care what might happen, one day on some cars? I find cars more fun with manual. Why is it such an issue for you? It's a post about manual experience and because you can't do this anymore :hail: you decide to do this :rant:
Don`t take everything so Personal, eh? Just because you can`t re-elect Rob Ford again as Mayor of Toronto, you can still Vote for his Brother.:p
 

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The Mustang has this? I've never used it, how does it work? Do it impede performance in anyway? Is it something that you turn on/off or is it always there?
Driver Assist > Hill Start Assist > On
 

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It's as personal as it is realistic that I would have bought a Ferrari, if it just had proper manual.
Vote was yesterday. Thankfully he lost.
 

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Learning to operate a Manual Transmission with a Brand New 2015 Mustang is simply pure folly! Why not just add into that equation lots of steep hills too so you can experience driving with and without "Hill Assist" and watch your Vehicle slip backwards into the Car behind you. Ooops, forgot to engage the Emergency Brake while holding the Vehicle in place and releasing the clutch while gently pressing the accelerator. Oh well, such is the learning curve......
You correct but it won`t take all that long using your clutch as a (brake) before you burn it out and it needs replacement while learning to start off from a dead stop or more importantly, proceeding on an incline or hill.
That's an awfully low opinion to be holding of drivers that are apparently much younger than yourself. Are you sure that you aren't just filtering a few bad memories from your own stick-shift learning days through the fog of four or five decades of combined wear and tear on your limbs? Maybe I should have my 17 y/o granddaughter scold you.


Anyone who lives or commutes to work in a large urban City will forgo the (joy) of rowing ones gears for the Automatic Transmission. To be stuck for hours on the Interstate in rush hour traffic or constant stop and go City driving is (not) what I would consider fun. Sure, if one lives in a rural area or do most of your driving on a lightly traveled highway, great, otherwise, I`ll simply select "D" and forgetaboutit. No (learning curve) issues here either. Been driving a Stick Shift for over 50 years, FYI.
Look, I get it that bad traffic is a discouragement to driving a conventional manual transmission vehicle. Hell, it's a discouragement to driving any vehicle. I know because some of my early driving was in and around Boston MA, which had a lot to do with our decision to live where I wouldn't have to cope with such a time-consuming commute. Oh yeah, that was back in the days when the cars available to me had automatic transmissions, making the transmission type irrelevant.



When you get older then 50, have a bottle of Aleve ready for the pain in your left knee from depressing the clutch in a thousand times a day.:)
Please don't throw that out like it's a guaranteed obstacle to driving stick, even long term. It's not. I'll be 67 in a couple of weeks, and I've had both knees operated on, each twice, all four occurring in the 1985 - 1987 time frame (so the repairs have also had a good bit of time to age and wear). Even so, catching heavy traffic in northern NJ, through NY, and on I-95 in CT on a trip between here and SE MA does not bother those joints noticeably more than it did 40 years ago.

The latest of our new car purchases was a manual transmission model just like all of our cars have been since about 1971, this one being for my wife as her daily driver. She'd turned 60 and having the stick shift was/is still her active and unsolicited requirement.


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The Mustang has this? I've never used it, how does it work? Do it impede performance in anyway? Is it something that you turn on/off or is it always there?
Assuming it works like it did in my 135i: if you are stopped on a backward decline with brake applied, once you let off brake pedal, the brakes will remain engaged for about 2 seconds - so you don't roll backward while transitioning to the throttle.

If forward decline or flat surface, the brakes do not remain engaged.

I believe on the mustang you can turn it off. On the 135i you could not (I don't think) - I didn't mind it at all. That said, I could take it or leave it.
 

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Anyone who lives or commutes to work in a large urban City will forgo the (joy) of rowing ones gears for the Automatic Transmission. To be stuck for hours on the Interstate in rush hour traffic or constant stop and go City driving is (not) what I would consider fun. Sure, if one lives in a rural area or do most of your driving on a lightly traveled highway, great, otherwise, I`ll simply select "D" and forgetaboutit. No (learning curve) issues here either. Been driving a Stick Shift for over 50 years, FYI.
When i was 17 i had a manual toyota corolla that was a 5 speed. I drove to and from school in morning and afternoon rush hour traffic. In Honolulu. Which is the 2nd worst traffic in the nation to LA. I had no problem then and id do it again in a heartbeat.
 

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When i was 17 i had a manual toyota corolla that was a 5 speed. I drove to and from school in morning and afternoon rush hour traffic. In Honolulu. Which is the 2nd worst traffic in the nation to LA. I had no problem then and id do it again in a heartbeat.
I don't find myself tired on longer drives anymore now that I have a MT ;) Driving a MT is definitely more entertaining and keeps you aware of your surroundings which means safer driving.

For the record, I'm 18 years old. And my first stick shift vehicle was my 2015 mustang GT. And I live in LA, and deal with traffic on multiple hills everyday. If i can do it anyone can, just be patient and determined because I promise you its well worth it. I learned stick shift on my brand new Mustang over one weekend... it's not that hard guys. You may stall a few times at first but don't get frustrated, your car will be fine. It's a rewarding feeling once you get the hang of it, and it's a skill you have that most people don't (knowing how to operate a MAN pedal) :p
 

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These threads are still amusing to read for us Europeans.

I find that driving my girlfriend's automatic car for long distances, the lack of exercise for my left foot can actually get annoying.
 

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Some tips on how to learn Stick Shift.
That was a good read, but far too complicated. The first thing you should do when teaching stick is give the driver a safeword, say, banana-hammock. Whenever you say banana-hammock, the driver pushes the clutch in. I've done this a few times now and it's cut down on the stalls 80%. After that they learn gear order, and your incessant shouting of the safe-word when they're about to dump it really teaches them the clutch feel quickly.
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