Lost all respect for Brad Pitt

[Hack]

Yup, apologies for the misuse of inferred. Only on my first cup of Joe.

So can I infer that you agree with the second thing I said?

And by the way I may not agree with some of your thoughts but I respect your right to express them.

Regarding the second thing you said, there's no causal relationship there. So no, I don't agree. And I felt like you were just throwing wild accusations at me based on nothing, so I didn't really feel a need to respond.

Maybe you are implying that he is planning to run for political office? You could be right. IMO if that's his goal he's off to a rocky start.

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[Bikeman315]

Regarding the second thing you said, there's no causal relationship there. So no, I don't agree. And I felt like you were just throwing wild accusations at me based on nothing, so I didn't really feel a need to respond.
Apologies if I came off like that. It is unfortunate that in todays politically charged environment, there is virtually nothing that one side can say that doesn't piss off the other side. All of us are way to sensitive.

Maybe you are implying that he is planning to run for political office? You could be right. IMO if that's his goal he's off to a rocky start.

Oh no, I'm not really for the rich and famous getting into politics these days. Too much baggage.

I would go into how ironic and hypocritical this is but I know both would be lost on you. May Saint Trump and Saint Nugent bless you with hatred and violence.

See this is what I mean. This back and forth has just gotten so bitter. There is no middle ground anymore. Just remember that Mitch, Lindsey, Nancy, Adam, & Chuck were all around before Donald and most will be after he's gone.

Quick story. My best friend of 25 years passed in 2018. He was a staunch Republican, not ultra right kind of MOR right. In our early days I was a MOR Democrat. We used to fight about politics all the time. Our wife's would love watching us go back and forth. But it was friendly and respectful. We would never get angry at each other. That all changed after President Trump was elected. I noticed it and so did his wife and our other friends (from both sides). You couldn't say anything about the right without his jumping down our throats. To say our friendship was strained would be minimizing the situation. By the time he passed we really weren't talking that much anymore. I really, really hate this shit.

 

[watisthis]

Oh no, I'm not really for the rich and famous getting into politics these days. Too much baggage.



See this is what I mean. This back and forth has just gotten so bitter. There is no middle ground anymore. Just remember that Mitch, Lindsey, Nancy, Adam, & Chuck were all around before Donald and most will be after he's gone.

Quick story. My best friend of 25 years passed in 2018. He was a staunch Republican, not ultra right kind of MOR right. In our early days I was a MOR Democrat. We used to fight about politics all the time. Our wife's would love watching us go back and forth. But it was friendly and respectful. We would never get angry at each other. That all changed after President Trump was elected. I noticed it and so did his wife and our other friends (from both sides). You couldn't say anything about the right without his jumping down our throats. To say our friendship was strained would be minimizing the situation. By the time he passed we really weren't talking that much anymore. I really, really hate this shit.

It is unfortunate that we can not criticize someone without being persecuted for our opinions. A President who by voice of his supporters can tell no lie and do no wrong. I remember the good ole days when we could call a President out on his bullshit and not be harassed, threatened, attacked, or persecuted. Its a strange time in America when the only correct opinion a Republican can have is in support of a man who attacks anyone anywhere who doesn't conform to his will.

 

[Hack]

Oh no, I'm not really for the rich and famous getting into politics these days. Too much baggage.



See this is what I mean. This back and forth has just gotten so bitter. There is no middle ground anymore. Just remember that Mitch, Lindsey, Nancy, Adam, & Chuck were all around before Donald and most will be after he's gone.

Quick story. My best friend of 25 years passed in 2018. He was a staunch Republican, not ultra right kind of MOR right. In our early days I was a MOR Democrat. We used to fight about politics all the time. Our wife's would love watching us go back and forth. But it was friendly and respectful. We would never get angry at each other. That all changed after President Trump was elected. I noticed it and so did his wife and our other friends (from both sides). You couldn't say anything about the right without his jumping down our throats. To say our friendship was strained would be minimizing the situation. By the time he passed we really weren't talking that much anymore. I really, really hate this shit.

I definitely get sensitive. I will give you that.

I wish there was more middle ground. I just can't find middle ground with someone who wants to take my V8 gas engines away.

Frankly I could even live with them taking red meat away. I don't absolutely need to fly in an airplane any more. I can live with some verbal censorship. But taking V8 engines away is going way too far and there's no common ground for me.

My opinion is some people on the left are way too radical now. Frankly they come off as crazy to me. The world is going to end if we don't all give up (pick it, almost everything is on this list)? Nuts.

And I'm trying to be nice, but this thing where they claim the President did something wrong but really he didn't? Unforgivable. I can't see any humor or middle ground. Weaponizing the CIA and FBI against a duly elected President? We are talking seriously dystopian futures here. And it needs to be stopped. This behavior is not normal by any sense of the word. It's evil and wrong.

 

[Bikeman315]

I definitely get sensitive. I will give you that.


I wish there was more middle ground. I just can't find middle ground with someone who wants to take my V8 gas engines away.
I have my V8 and no one is taking it away........

Frankly I could even live with them taking red meat away. I don't absolutely need to fly in an airplane any more. I can live with some verbal censorship. But taking V8 engines away is going way too far and there's no common ground for me.
I want my red meat, no censorship, and airplanes suck.

My opinion is some people on the left are way too radical now. Frankly they come off as crazy to me. The world is going to end if we don't all give up (pick it, almost everything is on this list)? Nuts.
Yes, they are. And they have always been. Same hold true for the right, remember the Tea Party? There are extremes on both sides but they are increasingly moving towards the center where they are becoming more vocal. I would never vote for Uncle Bernie. His views are just not mine. But honestly the world would not end if he were elected. And just so you know I voted for John McCain. Didn't always agree with him, and he certainly wasn't perfect, but I thought he would be good for our country.

And I'm trying to be nice, but this thing where they claim the President did something wrong but really he didn't? Unforgivable. I can't see any humor or middle ground. Weaponizing the CIA and FBI against a duly elected President? We are talking seriously dystopian futures here. And it needs to be stopped. This behavior is not normal by any sense of the word. It's evil and wrong.
Both side have gone way to far and need to just back off and get back to doing their jobs. This is all middle ground I was talking about. We see the same thing different ways and that's fine. This is where we respect each other and agree to disagree.

And God Bless our V8's

 

[Hack]

Yes, they are. And they have always been. Same hold true for the right, remember the Tea Party?

IMO the TEA party was not radical at all. Just people who wanted a party that governs conservatively and to stop moving farther and farther left every single election cycle. The republicans have often been virtually the same as the democrats. Both parties just do whatever the special interests pay them to do in my opinion. They talk like they are different but both do the same things. The TEA party might have taken over if the IRS wouldn't have been weaponized against them. But the good old boys' party had to be protected.

It's not like there are any true conservatives out there any more. At least not running for office. No one is saying they are going to get rid of income tax. No one is saying they are going to get rid of social security or medicaid. Welfare, etc.

IMO the conservatives that people are all up in arms about are basically putting forth positions that democrats of the 70s or 80s would have. Nothing the least bit radical and not really even conservative. Things like trying to balance the budget? Common sense in my opinion.

And God Bless our V8's

We can agree on the V8 thing.

 

[Hack]

Both side have gone way to far and need to just back off and get back to doing their jobs. This is all middle ground I was talking about. We see the same thing different ways and that's fine. This is where we respect each other and agree to disagree

Please give me some examples where republicans have gone too far. Everything I see republicans doing is pretty much centrist or left wing. I haven't seen any republican go too far right... ever.

 

[Blue Moon]

Finally, English poet John Milton said that restricting speech was not necessary because "in a free and open encounter" truth would prevail.

I think Milton might change his mind about that if he ever read a Comments page anywhere on the internet.

 

[Grintch]

LMAO! You really need to learn world history. Hitler was totally against the notion of equality and wanted to wage war on Marx's idea of such. You fall into a common trap of using twenty first century American politics and norms and transpose those into a different context. Policies may look like left wing socialism from the vantage point of the 2020 US political scene, but had very different meanings in 1937 Germany, Hitler was nowhere even close to Germanys left during that time.

Most of the NSDAPs left wing faction was expelled in the Bamberg Conference and any remaining were either executed in 1934 or forced to tow party line.

It's right there in the name of the party, National Socialist German Workers Party. Not quite clear how the German abbreviation of NSDAP became Nazi in English. Silly Democrat Socialists don't know what socialism is, nor that you can be a socialist without being a communist. Not that you can trust any politition to stick to principles they claim to support.

 

[Grintch]

I think Milton might change his mind about that if he ever read a Comments page anywhere on the internet.

Yes, but certain groups don't want truth to prevail. They just want more power and influence. And if that requires exaggeration or outright lies, just get in good with Bloomberg/a media giant.

 

[watisthis]

It's right there in the name of the party, National Socialist German Workers Party. Not quite clear how the German abbreviation of NSDAP became Nazi in English. Silly Democrat Socialists don't know what socialism is, nor that you can be a socialist without being a communist. Not that you can trust any politition to stick to principles they claim to support.

Are you seriously this ignorant? The 'socialist' aspect of the NSDAP was merely a political tool used by Hitler and Goebbels to mobilize the working classes to support them. While they condemned communism to get support from the middle class they also condemned bourgeois democracy to get support from the workers. Hitler's own ideas on his version of socialism were extremely vague saying something like 'as long as germans have their food and shelter they have their socialism' or some stupid shit like that. Look up the 'night of long knives,' you have zero knowledge of what you're talking about.

Edit: I could go on and on about their slave labor, profiting off of privately owned factories and land, fascism driving their goals while using buzzwords to rally support, wages dropping, cost of living rising, and capitalists remained free to hire and fire people. It's actually annoying that you know so very little about history and yet try to educate anyone.

 

[Grintch]

Are you seriously this ignorant? The 'socialist' aspect of the NSDAP was merely a political tool used by Hitler and Goebbels to mobilize the working classes to support them. While they condemned communism to get support from the middle class they also condemned bourgeois democracy to get support from the workers. Hitler's own ideas on his version of socialism were extremely vague saying something like 'as long as germans have their food and shelter they have their socialism' or some stupid shit like that. Look up the 'night of long knives,' you have zero knowledge of what you're talking about.

Edit: I could go on and on about their slave labor, profiting off of privately owned factories and land, fascism driving their goals while using buzzwords to rally support, wages dropping, cost of living rising, and capitalists remained free to hire and fire people. It's actually annoying that you know so very little about history and yet try to educate anyone.

The funny thing is you say they are not socialists. Then talk about how socialist they are. Socialism is all about government control. The wise and benevolent government (polititions/powerful elite) will take care of you and make all those pesky decisions for you. Which is why Hitler and Stalin were both socialist, just on opposite sides of the coin. And both murdered and lied like crazy. Between them they invested the modern concept of propaganda and state sponsored murder.

Just imagine, your socialist ideal America, but with Trump at its head controlling everything about your life. See the problem now? Or look at North Korea vs South Korea, the same people 65 years ago, with the same history and traditions. But the evil capitalists enjoy far more freedom and 10x the standard of living that the saintly socialist. Kinda sounds like Socialism was the worse choice.

 

[watisthis]

The funny thing is you say they are not socialists. Then talk about how socialist they are. Socialism is all about government control. The wise and benevolent government (polititions/powerful elite) will take care of you and make all those pesky decisions for you. Which is why Hitler and Stalin were both socialist, just on opposite sides of the coin. And both murdered and lied like crazy. Between them they invested the modern concept of propaganda and state sponsored murder.

Just imagine, your socialist ideal America, but with Trump at its head controlling everything about your life. See the problem now? Or look at North Korea vs South Korea, the same people 65 years ago, with the same history and traditions. But the evil capitalists enjoy far more freedom and 10x the standard of living that the saintly socialist. Kinda sounds like Socialism was the worse choice.

I'm not even going to debate a man who continues to ignore basic history.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism/Opposition-to-parliamentary-democracy

https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

Seriously, did you go to school in Germany in the 1930s?

 

[Bikeman315]

Please give me some examples where republicans have gone too far. Everything I see republicans doing is pretty much centrist or left wing. I haven't seen any republican go too far right... ever.

Nope, not going there. You and I see things differently. I am not going to try and change your mind as I do not see that as possible. But that's OK, it keeps thing interesting.

 

[Grintch]

I'm not even going to debate a man who continues to ignore basic history.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism/Opposition-to-parliamentary-democracy

https://www.britannica.com/story/were-the-nazis-socialists

Seriously, did you go to school in Germany in the 1930s?

So the party with Socialist in their name were not Socialist? How about the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics? Were they Socialist or a Republic?

What did Hitler do that Stalin did not, other that say he hated communists? I think most people agree that Russia is a socialist country.

Define socialist. You could argue that communism, socialism, republic, and democracy are all meaningless terms as none of their so called Champions live up to them. Like when has a Workers Party every really put the workers in charge? Left and Right, liberal and conservative are even more useless terms.

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