Let's play speeding fine lottery

[Leeroy]

Don't think it's as complex as this - I read somewhere it's based on a national average wage (~22k per year?)

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[Goosey]

National insurance numbers is how they do it they take your NI number (or simple to look it up from address and name) then that links to your hmrc paye or self assessment earnings or both and they know your tax code and what tax bracket its in so its pretty easy to establish your earnings to calculate it.

Hmm i imagine there would be all sorts of issues with that way of sharing personal data in the new data protection world.
ALso a tax band can have numerous elements that affects your tax paid not your salary. You can be earning a shed load but have a good tax code if enough elements offset the band such as business miles in a private car. Personally I think its only a court that could do means assessment so how on earth plod will do it on their own I dread to think.

 

[hinch]

Hmm i imagine there would be all sorts of issues with that way of sharing personal data in the new data protection world.
ALso a tax band can have numerous elements that affects your tax paid not your salary. You can be earning a shed load but have a good tax code if enough elements offset the band such as business miles in a private car. Personally I think its only a court that could do means assessment so how on earth plod will do it on their own I dread to think.

they have free and easy access to this data (well police do anyway) there is almost no such thing as data protection in these cases

yes there are many things that effect it but lets say you pay £1k a month in tax and thats 21% or whatever the paye tax rate is these days then its pretty easy to go backwards to the take home pay after tax/ni then the charge is just calculated after the deducted amount. its almost trivial to do this. hell we were doing this for the police 15 years ago almost

 

[Matrix2020]

But it completely misses the self employed.... minimum wage and dividends/directors loans.....

 

[hinch]

But it completely misses the self employed.... minimum wage and dividends/directors loans.....

nope it doesn't as its all declared on your tax returns min wage still are "paye" even if they don't break the tax free amount so the data is still submitted by the employer every month to hmrc, dividends and loans are declared on director tax returns same with self employed they'd just average it back for those working a year behind. paye is accurate to 1 working month.

 

[Wobs]

Fines for band A, B or C are only determined if the case goes to court.

Read this https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/item/speeding-revised-2017/

 

[Rypkr937]

WTF? Am I reading this right? In the UK if you get a ticket, then the fine is based on your salary and at a rate of 50% of a weeks pay??

 

[Manders Mustang]

WTF? Am I reading this right? In the UK if you get a ticket, then the fine is based on your salary and at a rate of 50% of a weeks pay??

AND UP to 150%!!!!

 

[nixopaxo]

5 years ago i got £200 fine and 5 points for doing 52 in a 30 .sickener for me was 2 weeks previous the 30 was a 60 limit until they added street lights!
Dunno what it would be now with the new scale of doing it .

 

[SteveS]

When you consider all the other, often more serious misdemeanors that won't attract a fine anything like a weeks salary, you realise what an easy target us motorists are :tsk:

 

[Jimboy2]

Balls. Think I have just gone through a fixed camera in Epsom!

 

[Leeroy]

Wonder what happens if you're a benefits scrounging motorist caught speeding? How the f@ck is it a fare system?

 

[lemers]

Why does speeding cost a wealthy man more than a poor man, when the wealthy man mostly likely contributed more to the construction of the road and the traffic control salary in the first place.

 

[Actual]

Wonder what happens if you're a benefits scrounging motorist caught speeding? How the f@ck is it a fare system?

In a Mustang?

 

[Actual]

Why does speeding cost a wealthy man more than a poor man, when the wealthy man mostly likely contributed more to the construction of the road and the traffic control salary in the first place.

As a public we elect councillors and MP's and even the police.

I would love to know if the majority public "wants" draconian speed limits and enforcement.

Assuming the public doesn't want this then why do our elected representatives force it on us.



Sorry to go politics.

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