Lethal race pipes no longer available?

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

I was watching that last night. They are trying to make race cars a thing of the past it seems. I cant believe how hard they are going at tuning shops. All the more reason to get my parts and get tuned asap I suppose.

They are not trying to get rid of race cars - since by definition race cars are off road use only. They're trying to get rid of companies selling and people buying parts claiming to be for off-road use only but then driving the illegally modified vehicles on public streets. I mean, come on, everyone essentially ignores the "for off road use only" warnings the part manufacturers have been using trying use to pass their parts as "legal".

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they start going for individuals who claim to have race pipes and other things on their cars on YouTube and public forums. That will be after the manufacturers and tuning shops, if it happens.

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[FreePenguin]

They are not trying to get rid of race cars - since by definition race cars are off road use only. They're trying to get rid of companies selling and people buying parts claiming to be for off-road use only but then driving the illegally modified vehicles on public streets. I mean, come on, everyone essentially ignores the "for off road use only" warnings the part manufacturers have been using trying use to pass their parts as "legal".

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they start going for individuals who claim to have race pipes and other things on their cars on YouTube and public forums. That will be after the manufacturers and tuning shops, if it happens.

There’s no teeth in that bark. They would waste too much time money trying to locate people. Then having local jurisdiction investigating them.

I just can’t see it. Get rid of the sources of parts and preventing future waves is what I see

 

[protraxduner]

They are going for what is 'easy' what they can actually manage and control...….going after the consumer would be a total PITA. Let's be real if there concern is emissions and pollutants then the weekend racer is a tiny tiny tiny tiny....10x tiny miniscule part of the problem, it is just low hanging fruit. Guessing my 20 year old mower puts out more pollutants in 1 mow then my 'race' Gt500 that drive a 1000 miles a year does.

 

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

There’s no teeth in that bark. They would waste too much time money trying to locate people. Then having local jurisdiction investigating them.

I just can’t see it. Get rid of the sources of parts and preventing future waves is what I see

Maybe. But they wouldn't have to go after everyone - they would just need to set an example of a select few. It would be pretty easy to go after someone like StangMode. He obviously has highly modified cars driving on the street, all the evidence they need is on YT. Easy win for the EPA, big fine, example set. I'm sure there's other YouTubers with similar channels with a lot of followers documenting their builds with highly modified tuning and lack of cats and driving on the street regularly, etc.

 

[FreePenguin]

Maybe. But they wouldn't have to go after everyone - they would just need to set an example of a select few. It would be pretty easy to go after someone like StangMode. He obviously has highly modified cars driving on the street, all the evidence they need is on YT. Easy win for the EPA, big fine, example set. I'm sure there's other YouTubers with similar channels with a lot of followers documenting their builds with highly modified tuning and lack of cats and driving on the street regularly, etc.

That makes sense. Show that it “can” be done. Hopefully they just get bored and quit attacking the fun industries, I’ve been hearing it for years that eventually they will limit what we will be allowed to do to our cars, and will limit manufacturers from offering even more perf.

Saying we have enough performance now.

 

[Epiphany]

They are not trying to get rid of race cars - since by definition race cars are off road use only.

If a given car ever had a VIN and was subsequently converted into a "race car" even if it would never be driven on the street again, they are absolutely trying to eliminate the ability to do that. Read this..
https://www.performanceracing.com/m...challenges-epas-motorsports-regulations-court

And familiarize yourself with the RPM Act...
https://www.sema.org/epa-news

 

[bankyf]

They are not trying to get rid of race cars - since by definition race cars are off road use only. They're trying to get rid of companies selling and people buying parts claiming to be for off-road use only but then driving the illegally modified vehicles on public streets. I mean, come on, everyone essentially ignores the "for off road use only" warnings the part manufacturers have been using trying use to pass their parts as "legal".

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they start going for individuals who claim to have race pipes and other things on their cars on YouTube and public forums. That will be after the manufacturers and tuning shops, if it happens.

Edited:
Technically that is not completely true. Apparently the current law makes it illegal to remove emissions components from any vehicle for any reason. This includes a dedicated, track only vehicle. The RPM Act is a bill that SEMA is pushing to revise the rule to make dedicated race cars legal.

From the EPA - " if a motor vehicle is covered by a certificate of conformity at any point, there is no exemption from the tampering and defeat-device prohibitions that would allow for converting the engine or vehicle for competition use. There is no prohibition against actual use of certified motor vehicles or motor vehicle engines for competition purposes; however, it is not permissible to remove a motor vehicle or motor vehicle engine from its certified configuration regardless of the purpose for doing so. … "

 

[Stage_3]

They are not trying to get rid of race cars - since by definition race cars are off road use only. They're trying to get rid of companies selling and people buying parts claiming to be for off-road use only but then driving the illegally modified vehicles on public streets. I mean, come on, everyone essentially ignores the "for off road use only" warnings the part manufacturers have been using trying use to pass their parts as "legal".

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they start going for individuals who claim to have race pipes and other things on their cars on YouTube and public forums. That will be after the manufacturers and tuning shops, if it happens.

If I'm not mistaken, I think this ALL has to do with being emissions compliant.
Catless products and longtubes are highly likely going bye. As well as tuning for those such products.

What a shame.

 

[bankyf]

If I'm not mistaken, I think this ALL has to do with being emissions compliant.
Catless products and longtubes are highly likely going bye. As well as tuning for those such products.

What a shame.

Is there anything official that makes longtubes illegal under federal standards? I haven't been able to find it.

 

[Epiphany]

Of course their is. Anti-tampering statute within the Clean Air Act.

 

[racingandfishing]

Is there anything official that makes longtubes illegal under federal standards? I haven't been able to find it.

Not sure you can change more than your air filter or put on catbacks with these rules:

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/th...ture-of-efi-tuning.155614/page-8#post-3173454

Copied from the EPA bulletin in reference to violations of the Clean Air Act -
" engine calibrations that affect engine combustion (e.g., fuel injection or ignition timing, injection pattern, fuel injection mass for each injection event, fuel injection pressure, EGR flowrate, mass air flowrate, EGR cooler bypassing)"

 

[Stage_3]

Is there anything official that makes longtubes illegal under federal standards? I haven't been able to find it.

You have to watch the videos being posted in these threads. The 2 guys from Lund explain it in full. They know best than anyone posting in these threads as they have to deal with it head on.

Not good. Not good at all.
It's not going away, just not going to be the same. No matter where you live either.

 

[Micah442]

Not good. Not good at all.
It's not going away, just not going to be the same. No matter where you live either.

Pretty much exactly this. Most people have no clue or how detrimental this is going to be. In 10-15 years the combustion engine won’t be made much anymore supposedly.

 

[Stage_3]

Pretty much exactly this. Most people have no clue or how detrimental this is going to be. In 10-15 years the combustion engine won’t be made much anymore supposedly.

I think it's by 2030 or something like that, if you want to buy a new car, it'll be an electric car.
The only way to get a gas powered car is to buy used. And even then I bet the government will tax your ass out of it. That's how they work.
Terrible.

 

[BMAGOO]

I think it's by 2030 or something like that, if you want to buy a new car, it'll be an electric car.
The only way to get a gas powered car is to buy used. And even then I bet the government will tax your ass out of it. That's how they work.
Terrible.

Pretty sad to think that aftermarket performance parts are going to go from Holley, Edelbrock, Whipple, Roush, etc. to Duracell, Energizer, & DeWalt.

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