Jon Lund Jr. discusses latest rumors about Lund Racing/future of EFI Tuning

[FreePenguin]

That’s where it


FP gets EO certification on their tunes, big difference. At any rate see my post above. Lund has been tuning coyotes alone for 8 years, imagine how many tunes they sent that “may” disable an emission component... a lot.

but how much longer will even themselves be able to offer these? thats a question. if they make it even more stringent, ford may discontinue power pack options after factory.

-- could become another tier of offered package, ie pp1 with power pack 2 preinstalled type deal. extra 1k or whatever pricing they'd price it at.

EB already has it with the HPP EcoBoost now.

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[bankyf]

they typically use number of tunes to assess number of violations.

Which begs the question of how/why is MPT still selling tunes after being investigated and fined. Perhaps they only care about and fine for tunes that disabled emissions devices?

 

[bankyf]

number of tunes that do expressly illegal things like turn off O2 sensors, reprogram CEL tripwire levels and other things that deliberately interfere with smog stuff yes. Changing the slope of ignition advance or adding fuel here and subtracting it there or changing how/when boost blow-off valve is activates are NOT necessarily smog-defeating or emissions violations. If any delta from factory was a crime FP would itself be in deep trouble.

While I think that is the correct answer, the EPA produced documents linked in the Lund video explicitly state otherwise in regards to timing and fueling changes.

 

[bankyf]

Copied from the EPA bulletin in reference to violations of the Clean Air Act -
" engine calibrations that affect engine combustion (e.g., fuel injection or ignition timing, injection pattern, fuel injection mass for each injection event, fuel injection pressure, EGR flowrate, mass air flowrate, EGR cooler bypassing)"

 

[Nuked]

Which begs the question of how/why is MPT still selling tunes after being investigated and fined. Perhaps they only care about and fine for tunes that disabled emissions devices?

it likely boils down to how MPT attorney handled it. If you are difficult with an inspection and agency they will be much more difficult with you. From the looks of it MPT paid 100k fine and they most likely agreed that no cEL would be disabled moving forward.

 

[jrsimon27]

Here in my country and most central and south american countries dont have those types of regulations also 80% of cars sold here are diesel engines. Everyone down here removes the catts from the cars and we use foulers to fool the system this is with cars imported from the USA also cars that come europe and asia dont even get a check engine when you remove the catts that only happens with USA cars.
Also if in the USA they are so tough with this regulations what about the rest of the world? Honestly nobody gives a damn any where else.

 

[TX5OH]

Companies used to be able to hide behind “Off-road is only.” No longer is that possible when so many people are putting their videos on YouTube. Plausible deniability is long gone for them. Especially when you have people in these videos openly talking about using off-road exhaust and having tunes to make them work.

Hell in a FB group I’m in, just today someone asked who was the “hook-up” for paying a little extra for getting an inspection sticker.

 

[FreePenguin]

Companies used to be able to hide behind “Off-road is only.” No longer is that possible when so many people are putting their videos on YouTube. Plausible deniability is long gone for them. Especially when you have people in these videos openly talking about using off-road exhaust and having tunes to make them work.

Hell in a FB group I’m in, just today someone asked who was the “hook-up” for paying a little extra for getting an inspection sticker.

They get them too lol

 

[TX5OH]

They get them too lol

I am sure they will eventually. But minus a few of the big time YouTube folks the money is with the companies. This is a hunt for money just as much as it is as the actual pollution.

 

[racingandfishing]

I am sure they will eventually. But minus a few of the big time YouTube folks the money is with the companies. This is a hunt for money just as much as it is as the actual pollution.

I think it is just as much about making an example (albeit financially) of some of the bigger tuners and companies selling off road only products to discourage them from continuing to offer those services and products. Look how quickly tuning devices and off road only products are dropping from the market.

 

[Schwerin]

I would not be amazed if with autonomous vehicles wanting to be a thing companies want it to be illegal to make custom tunes as they have NO idea how those tunes will impact the cars' ability to pilot itself. So, I wouldn't be amazed if this is NOT just an EPA thing but EPA is what OEM's are leveraging to help seal ECU's and make it illegal for them to be tuned, which in result would make it easier for OEM's to blame a tuned car for your car crashing, and not a fault of their own.

 

[Schwerin]

but how much longer will even themselves be able to offer these? thats a question. if they make it even more stringent, ford may discontinue power pack options after factory.

-- could become another tier of offered package, ie pp1 with power pack 2 preinstalled type deal. extra 1k or whatever pricing they'd price it at.

EB already has it with the HPP EcoBoost now.

Ford has sold a car with Ford Racing parts before. The 1999/2000 Escort ZX2 S/R was an Escort coupe that had EVERY part from the Ford Racing catalogue installed at the factory. Springs, struts, clutch, ECU, shifter, intake tube, shift knob, wheels, and axle back. The only parts it DIDNT have pre-installed were ones that came out after the cars production (Coil overs, plug wires and crank pulley). It was just another package check box on order forms.

I've often wondered why Ford didn't let you order a EB, GT, or SHELBY with a "Ford Racing(Performance)" package that was installed at the factory or Dealer. With Mustangs it's even easier, you just pick the Handling, or Power package, or both. By the time you pick the car up its already installed, and the price of it is part of your loan.

 

[shogun32]

I've often wondered why Ford didn't let you order a EB, GT, or SHELBY with a "Ford Racing(Performance)" package

Ford can't even keep steering wheels, knee bolsters and seats straight. It's a wonder we don't see 5.2l engines in the GT frankly. Ford assembly line is sloppy and careless and "nobody" checks their work so any sort of custom work is out. Otherwise you'd likely end up with a "performance order" car with stock intake, wrong map and the car ahead of it has the performance intake for a V8 shoved onto the I4 engine.

I mean really, how many 'no-ship/no-sale' have we had of late? Explorer, F150, Mach-E. Is there anybody at Ford with their head screwed on?

 

[Strokerswild]

Ford can't even keep steering wheels, knee bolsters and seats straight. It's a wonder we don't see 5.2l engines in the GT frankly. Ford assembly line is sloppy and careless and "nobody" checks their work so any sort of custom work is out. Otherwise you'd likely end up with a "performance order" car with stock intake, wrong map and the car ahead of it has the performance intake for a V8 shoved onto the I4 engine.

I mean really, how many 'no-ship/no-sale' have we had of late? Explorer, F150, Mach-E. Is there anybody at Ford with their head screwed on?

....and where the hell is the Bronco???

 

[IamCDNJosh]

The other positive in this (other than no longer being able to bypass emissions equipment) is hopefully this will also eliminate crackle tunes.

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