Hellion TT on the rollers

[Slamdcoop0428]

Slow down man the damn Hellion kit cost wayyyyyy more than a centri so saying its superior is a bit crazy.

Yes turbos will make more hp per pound of boost but i still wouldnt trash the results of a what the little paxton can do for wayyy less cost.

Geezus I hope this doesnt turn into a turbo vs centri thread.......

Lol to get my car to run what it has with the centri cost more than what it would have cost me to go turbo. My car is light and it ran what it did with the centri because ofnthe low weight. The centri just doesnt make the tq to carry the heavier car like a turbo can. My drag brakes, k member and battery were like $3300. Now with the turbo kit and he power and tq its making on less boost this car should fly if it hooks up.

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[Slamdcoop0428]

And my buddy with the paxton i sold him, that 3.33 pulley he is running has belt slip like crazy. When he does a pass at the track the car makes like 11-12 psi at best. On the rollers/dyno the belt hooks up because there is no shifting or harsh accelerating. So now he is looking at 8 rib setups and thats another $700. Billet tensioner is $450. Trust me the blowers become a pain in the ass.

 

[Brent Davis]

Slow down man the damn Hellion kit cost wayyyyyy more than a centri so saying its superior is a bit crazy.

Yes turbos will make more hp per pound of boost but i still wouldnt trash the results of a what the little paxton can do for wayyy less cost.

Geezus I hope this doesnt turn into a turbo vs centri thread.......

LOL, ok I get it. Let's keep the topic to "YOUR" liking.

 

[Brent Davis]

And my buddy with the paxton i sold him, that 3.33 pulley he is running has belt slip like crazy. When he does a pass at the track the car makes like 11-12 psi at best. On the rollers/dyno the belt hooks up because there is no shifting or harsh accelerating. So now he is looking at 8 rib setups and thats another $700. Billet tensioner is $450. Trust me the blowers become a pain in the ass.

His car a stick or auto?

 

[Slamdcoop0428]

His car a stick or auto?

Auto.

 

[gearhead2685]

LOL, ok I get it. Let's keep the topic to "YOUR" liking.

LOL is that what i said?

Turbo vs. Blower threads are retarded I hope this doesnt go that route.

Its nice to see the grqphs comparing the results of each but comparing turbo cost vs blower cost is pretty pointless.

 

[gearhead2685]

Lol to get my car to run what it has with the centri cost more than what it would have cost me to go turbo. My car is light and it ran what it did with the centri because ofnthe low weight. The centri just doesnt make the tq to carry the heavier car like a turbo can. My drag brakes, k member and battery were like $3300. Now with the turbo kit and he power and tq its making on less boost this car should fly if it hooks up.

Agreed and I get what you are saying but do you think many people switch power adders like what 3 times like you have?

Im not discounting the turbo kit at all but the price to play is much higher on that kit vs the centri.

You added alot of supporting mods to the car before switching power adders that shouldnt really be a negative for the centri.

Over all cost to make a centri as fast as a turbo kit is of course going to cost more.

In the long run like you said the turbos prolly cheaper but the up front cost is a pretty substantial difference vs the turbo kit.

 

[Slamdcoop0428]

Agreed and I get what you are saying but do you think many people switch power adders like what 3 times like you have?

Im not discounting the turbo kit at all but the price to play is much higher on that kit vs the centri.

You added alot of supporting mods to the car before switching power adders that shouldnt really be a negative for the centri.

Over all cost to make a centri as fast as a turbo kit is of course going to cost more.

In the long run like you said the turbos prolly cheaper but the up front cost is a pretty substantial difference vs the turbo kit.

What does me switching power adders have to do with anything? I didnt factor that in to what in saying....You want to go faster with a centri? Guess what? It takes a bigger head unit, and the cost of that head unit gets pricey fast.

I could also crush your argument right now and say On3 performance. I would not put their kit on my car as i prefer the quality of the products and metal Hellion uses in thier kits. But with that aside, a friend of mine went 8.5 at 165 3 weeks ago with a base On3 kit that cost him $3999.95, no upgrades to the kit other than the normal supporting mods to supoort that time and mph. Is it a possibility the kit doesnt fit the greatest? Yes, but does it just flat out work? Hell Yes!!

 

[Brent Davis]

Slamdcoop,
Man thanks for all your information though. Not that others haven't shared their data as well but my car will be on the lines of your once I get the OPG/CG's installed and the 2B converter. Already have the LPF kit, Sai Li dual pump fuel system, ID1050's, SCT4 tuner, Aluminum DS and Ford Motorsports axles and gonna use Sai Li for the tuning on this car. So following your progress is rather interesting and helpful.

Thanks again bro.

 

[pro 5.0]

Being that its a turbo setup i knew power would fall off at 6500 with the stock manifold so i told him to stop it around 7000 so no reason to ring it out for just numbers when it peaks at 6500. It was tuned on street logs to 7600 so its solid. No we think its a little bit of valve float since iv been boosted for over a year and the stock springs are a little “tired” if thats what you want to call it. But timing is solid.

Congrats on a killer setup question you said it was tuned on street logs to 7600 so it's solid. I don't understand that statement if power falls off at 6500 why rev it out to 7600, common practice is to rev 500 rpm over peak ? Also any plans to put on the GT 350 intake to increase rpm capability ?

 

[Pincushin3819]

Congrats on a killer setup question you said it was tuned on street logs to 7600 so it's solid. I don't understand that statement if power falls off at 6500 why rev it out to 7600, common practice is to rev 500 rpm over peak ? Also any plans to put on the GT 350 intake to increase rpm capability ?

I can't speak for him but I asked my tuner the same question before when my power was falling off at a certain rpm why take it further out. He said it puts the car in the most efficient power band for the next gear. Might not make much sense for a dyno pull but the street & track it could make all the difference.

 

[Slamdcoop0428]

I can't speak for him but I asked my tuner the same question before when my power was falling off at a certain rpm why take it further out. He said it puts the car in the most efficient power band for the next gear. Might not make much sense for a dyno pull but the street & track it could make all the difference.

Yep yep

 

[pro 5.0]

I can't speak for him but I asked my tuner the same question before when my power was falling off at a certain rpm why take it further out. He said it puts the car in the most efficient power band for the next gear. Might not make much sense for a dyno pull but the street & track it could make all the difference.

I just figured it made more sense to have a manifold that allows the car to keep making power till you shift that way it's not falling over for that last 500 - 1000 rpm, then when you shift it's still going to be in that power band.

 

[Pincushin3819]

I just figured it made more sense to have a manifold that allows the car to keep making power till you shift that way it's not falling over for that last 500 - 1000 rpm, then when you shift it's still going to be in that power band.

Yeah it does make more sense to have a mani to carry the power further & higher along with the rpms that your shifting at to put you right back in the sweet spot. I'm sure Slamdcoop0428 will have more to come with his setup after he knocks down some 8 second passes as it sits right now. I can about guarantee this car will be one of the fastest untouched stock bottom end & 6r80 trans car on this site & one of the top 10 in the country for this platform.

 

[pro 5.0]

It really all comes down to gearing if you don't need to spin 7500 rpm then you don't need a manifold that makes power that high.

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